DerbyCitySignGuy
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Are you trying to prepare us for our eventual serfdom, Andy?
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Will the chaos ever end?
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Are you trying to prepare us for our eventual serfdom, Andy?
DerbyCitySignGuy
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I don't even bother discussing politics with anybody any more. Democrats are yelling about people who didn't vote for Hillary, Republicans are busy trying to spin everything Trump says so that he doesn't sound like a power tripping 12 year old, both sides are mad at the Democratic Socialists.
I just roll my eyes and make flatulence noises now.
On topic though, we've been so busy it's not even funny. I think this is the first time in about three or four weeks that I've had a few minutes to actually sit down and take a breath.
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Johnny Best
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Will the chaos ever end?
Not until we stop getting so upset about everything and blaming groups for causing the anger.
ams starts off talking about having to much work and not enough time and we end up holding hands and singing.
I'm wearing gloves if I have to hold anyone's hand while singing. Feel better now and I will try not responding when I feel anger from now on. I am going to wait for the trickle down to take effect that our sign economists predict.
Not until we stop getting so upset about everything and blaming groups for causing the anger.
ams starts off talking about having to much work and not enough time and we end up holding hands and singing.
I'm wearing gloves if I have to hold anyone's hand while singing. Feel better now and I will try not responding when I feel anger from now on. I am going to wait for the trickle down to take effect that our sign economists predict.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I'm just trying not to scratch myself to death...
Unless people have some actual sources they'd like to share to back up their assertions, its all just two old shiites sitting around with too much time on their hands accusing others of exactly what they do on a daily basis. Nobody told either of you that you have to pipe in and take the thread further off topic, but you do it every time someone you don't like is involved without any hesitation.
I may not be right 100% of the time but I know for a fact that I don't just spout crap off the top of my head without a few sources to back things up with.
In addition to seeing price increases related to the new tariffs that make our quoting processes harder, material availability is being affected also, both of which seem perfectly in line with the thread topic.
All I know is we've been crazy busy since buying the company and have grown our revenues 10% annually since May of 2014, a full three years before the Supreme Creamiscle Genius's first budget ever got passed.
Since it got passed, we've seen the annual deficit grow almost 100% from where President Obama left it in 2016. In his first year, the SCG added $200 BILLION to the annual deficit. This year the increase over 2016 is almost $500 BILLION. If some folks aren't concerned about that, than its time to go back to Econ 101.
On top of that, average wages are down, interest rates are up, fuel, healthcare costs, etc. are all up and those things all affect those of us working so hard to get ahead.
For actual facts and statistics, I offer the following.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ends-fiscal-2017-with-666-billion-budget-deficit-2017-10-20
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53651
I may not be right 100% of the time but I know for a fact that I don't just spout crap off the top of my head without a few sources to back things up with.
In addition to seeing price increases related to the new tariffs that make our quoting processes harder, material availability is being affected also, both of which seem perfectly in line with the thread topic.
All I know is we've been crazy busy since buying the company and have grown our revenues 10% annually since May of 2014, a full three years before the Supreme Creamiscle Genius's first budget ever got passed.
Since it got passed, we've seen the annual deficit grow almost 100% from where President Obama left it in 2016. In his first year, the SCG added $200 BILLION to the annual deficit. This year the increase over 2016 is almost $500 BILLION. If some folks aren't concerned about that, than its time to go back to Econ 101.
On top of that, average wages are down, interest rates are up, fuel, healthcare costs, etc. are all up and those things all affect those of us working so hard to get ahead.
For actual facts and statistics, I offer the following.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ends-fiscal-2017-with-666-billion-budget-deficit-2017-10-20
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53651
Johnny Best
Active Member
Let me have your hand Toad and we will sing very Kumbaya softly. Everything is going to be alright.
I invest heavily in the market and I am good with it. Don't worry, you might have a stroke, and believe me, I know more about that than you do.
I invest heavily in the market and I am good with it. Don't worry, you might have a stroke, and believe me, I know more about that than you do.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
Wages and the cost of everything IS up. Wages are not growing as much as they "should" in a tight labor market, but it's argued that that is because productivity hasn't been up that much either... which is because companies were not doing CapX projects to invest in better tools/equipment to raise said productivity ...UNTILL recently when the Tax Bill passed.... BUUUUUTTTT.. Tarrifs have put CapX spending back on hold.. so ya know, that's why wages havn't gone up that much. Inflation is still SLOWING rising (which the cost of everything SHOULD rise overtime... inflation is not a bad thing in small amounts...like how it's doing now) So you wana get a wage increase? Start being more productive.... All that said to say this........ I think the Chiggers are in my shop.
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Johnny Best
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Yep, the venom has gone into his body and he is rebranding.
Americans are already the hardest working, most productive workers on earth when you compare our outputs to those in other western style democracies.
I guess you don't remember the campaign promises about how great everything would be for the "forgotten man". A little bit of inflation is fine, but not in a heavy consumer economy like ours if wages stay stagnant or recede like they apparently are right now. You need the actual consumer's wages to stay abreast with the rise in prices, or they choose living essentials only to spend their hard earned money on. I'm not an economist, but it seems like common sense to me.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
Toad, can you quote some sources saying wages are falling nationally?
When I'm not covered up with sign work, I day-trade, so I'm pretty up to date with economic news...it's all I read and listen to during the day. In fact, I made some decent $$$ I think in February, when some data came out that wages jumped and stocks got spooked... People thought that the higher wages were going to hurt profit margins on businesses so stocks tanked for a short while. Gave me a good dip to buy into.
If only people who complain about the president and capitalism and all the day to day crap would get into investing, they may sing a different tune about things once the $$$ starts flowing to them.
Amazon or Netflix raise their price and cost me $20 more a year?? Great, the stock jumped and made me $500... raise prices again for all I care.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
BTW, I like the "We're headed for a recession" comment. That was actually correct. OF COURSE eventually we're headed for a recession. It's economics, it's called the "business cycle", there are ups and downs...we are clearly in an up right now, and any one with any economic sense can tell you that yes, eventually this will end. Then when it does it will go back up ... then down...then up ...then down
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
Toad, your intelligent, don't let your politics fool you into making unintelligent statements. Spinning numbers and being short sighted is nothing new to the media.
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"Without adjusting for inflation, these “nonsupervisory” workers saw their average hourly earnings jump 2.8 percent from last year."
And look at the "Obama" years of that PayScale index you provided, and then look at the Trump years.
https://www.payscale.com/payscale-index/
Politics plays into people minds way too much... Not EVERYTHING has a political component to it, although most want it to! Lol I'm not trying to engage in politics, I'm very much into economics.
You just proved your own point. And you're using your own confirmation bias to guide your sources. The payscale charts show with multiple factors considered show that wages are dropping and have been since the tax cuts went into effect. If you ADJUST FOR INFLATION, wages actually are falling.
I don't rely on one source. The last graphic in this article says it all. https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
That chart shows nominal and your arguing "real wage" are you referring to this? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rs-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/
GAC05
Quit buggin' me
Wearing a pair of these?I think I know some sign guys who need to hug it out!
Nope, just trying to divert all you knuckle heads (both sides) from your silly argument... Nothing political posted here will make a frog's f a r t of difference...
We got the worlds greatest sign makers all together in one spot and we're getting all worked up and wasting time on politics.
Nominal, real, etc. those are just fine tuning knobs on an overall picture that hasn't served average workers for the last 4 decades. What's it really matter when the reality is that it isn't laziness, or lack of productivity that has driven wages into stagnation or deflation over the last 40 years. Its mostly greed at the top and tax policy.
When I was born in 1961, the wage gap between floor workers and executives was 25 or 30 to 1, where it currently is in most our similarly organized capitalist democracies. Ours is now at 450 to 1. If you think day trading and rolling the dice on the stock market will make up that difference, you better get a crystal ball. Considering half of America has NO exposure or investments in the market and literally have less than a few months wages in savings, the stock market offers them nothing in the form of relief from inflation, stagnant wages or job loss.
Look at these charts over the long haul. Any way you cook the graphs and numbers, the American working class have come out on the losing end for most of our working lives.
The stock market does not fully reflect the real economy or its weakness or strength.