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Are some of you pissed?

Discussion in 'General Chit-Chat' started by Texas_Signmaker, Mar 20, 2020.

  1. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    what really is getting tested going to do? It's not going to make you any better. You should isolate if you are sick no matter if it is cold, flu or corona or the clap.
     
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  2. WildWestDesigns

    WildWestDesigns Major Contributor

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    Testing to see what one has in of itself, no matter what it is, isn't going to make one feel better. It's one step that goes to something else. It gives a path of treatment (if any has to (or can) be taken) and it also serves to get numbers, who had it, how many survived versus how many died from it. It's going to be hard to know if the previous flu deaths were of the garden variety flu or this bad boy. Or does one assume that any and all flu deaths that happened within this time period is assumed to be corona (which brings about it's own problems).
     
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  3. JBurton

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    Oh sh!t, that's like 20% of all college students!
    Seriously, no clapping emoji?
     
  4. Texas_Signmaker

    Texas_Signmaker Very Active Signmaker

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    :clapping:
     
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  5. ikarasu

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    It's thinking like this that makes having a lock down necessary. Just typical flu level symptoms? In italy someone is dying every 3 minutes. They had 750 deaths in a 24 hour period, 400 deaths in the 24 hour period before that, and another 400 deaths in a 24 hour period before that... and it goes on and on. Theyre currently at a 7% Mortality rate in italy. Yes, their mortality rate is going to be higher because they have the highest amount of elders than any other country, but it just goes to show all of the older generation, which I believe is a lot of S101 people are at risk - even if you don't fall into that group, you shouldn't be willing to risk others health just because you want to work, or be free to go wherever you want.

    It's not in your backyard so you don't see it as a problem. So you go on your merry way ignoring everything because god forbid the government asks you to only go out for essentials, and you spread it even more. Every state / province is trying to slow down and stop the spread, but people are too stupid to listen and ignore it.

    This isn't err my gawd theyre taking my guns away, This is a real pandemic. Mad the economy is going to the shitter because of a shutdown? Guess what kills it more? having your countries whole health system get overwhelmed.

    WHO stats say 31,000 people died last year from the flu - We're at 11,000 already in 2 months of the coronavirus, and it only just started to spread to the biggest populations recently. Thats 11,000 that they confirmed was the cornavirus - They're not testing everyone. China had thousands of deaths before they even admitted they had a viral outbreak, so none of those are included in the stats. 11,000 in pretty much China, Italy, Spain and Iran - It's about to get a lot worst, a lot quicker. USA / Canada and Mexico are just starting to get hit - All the Medical directors are saying our system can't handle the wave thats about to come. Everyone should have shut down long ago, before it spread the way it has. Now it's likely too late - But shutting down is still better than not.

    But by all means... If you feel like the government is oppressing you, and it's your god given right to roam around in an epidemic... feel free, Darwinism will work it's magic.
     
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  6. neutrinocv

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    Have you been hiding in a bunker somewhere in the wooded hills since 1965..?? Communists ? Communists ? Communists !!!

    People getting sick and dying all over the world from a virus and all you can do is blame the "Communists". Man you are seriously brainwashed and deranged; you're probably more dangerous than this virus that we're all (well most of us) trying to eradicate.

    You'll be going make it Great again allright...
     
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  7. DPD

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    And what do we do about China and then our supply chain when this ends? Seems nobody is talking about this.
     
  8. TimToad

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    There are warehouses around the world piled sky high with nearly every product that humans consume. Once quarantines and shipping stoppages end, those products will be moved just like they always were.
     
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  9. neutrinocv

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    China was the first one in and will be the first one out; they'll be ready for anything you may need from them. Just how much taxes (import fees) Mr T. will make you pay for that; that's another story... Besides; TimToad is right, warehouses are stocked pile high.
     
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    They also will be feeding their people with the agricultural commodities they now buy from Russia instead of U.S. and other farmers around the world. That trade war was a nice end around to the sanctions in place and have rewarded Putin and his cronies very nicely who likely aren't stopping exports to their new business partners in China, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.....
     
  11. neutrinocv

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    A Chinese wiseman once said:
    "Smart is to always check the direction of the wind before you spit in the air so you know which way to step out."

    I guess somebody wasn't smart...
     
  12. Gene@mpls

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    Wow... just... wow.
     
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  13. Johnny Best

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    I think you have that Chinese wiseman confused with Jim Croce...

    "You don't tug on superman's cape
    You don't spit into the wind
    You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
    And you don't mess around with Jim"

    That wise old Chinaman was Confucius...
    "girl who slide down bannister have no hair by crackie"
    and...
    "girl who fly upside down have dirty crack up"
     
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  14. Bubba06

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    Man with hands in pockets, feel cocky.
     
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  15. ikarasu

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    To put it into perspective for those who don't think it's a big deal. Last night we were at 11,000 - today we're at 12,979 deaths. an 18% increase in deaths overnight. Italy reported 793 deaths in the past 24 hour period. Italy has a population of 64 million... Less than the population of California and Texas combined. Once it gets more wide spread in america, which it's already starting to... imagine what USA numbers will be. The percentage seems low, but again... only 4 countries have been hit hard by the virus so far, it's coming and no Country is / can be prepared for it.

    Is a shutdown the answer? I don't know, It seems to be effective in the places a shutdown has happened... But we dont know when / how strong it's going to come back once the shutdowns are lifted - so maybe a shutdown is useless. But it's better to be safe than sorry - you can always re-build an economy, rebuild a shop... you can't get back lost loved ones. I'm sure every single person here knows someone who is in the at-risk category and this disease could be potentially life threatening to them - Heck... theres some 20 year olds in USA hooked up to ventilators unable to move due to the virus - china downplayed everything, it affects everyone - Just because you do not die from it, doesnt mean theres no long term disabilities, doesn't mean 1000 people wont be in the hospital at once causing people to die because our medical teams dont have the resources to treat them. The shutdown is to flatten the curve so we have a chance at surviving with the least amount of casualties. It still amazes me looking out the window seeing 20 kids in the park across the street, when the firehall that is also within eyesight is shut down and on quarantine because all 11 firemen in the hall were first responders to someone who tested positive to the virus, and they had zero protective equipment on and could be infected - some people ignore all warnings and advice and continue on like nothing is happening. I don't think this is an end all virus, but I do think if people just listened... none of this would be necessary.


    To answer the original question... I'm not in a shut down area, but you can probably tell I'm pissed that I'm not in one. as well as pissed the other provinces/states are not in one - to be effective everything should be happening at once, not in stages. Our work is really busy with a few huge projects on the go - everyone (Including the owner) Is hoping for a shutdown soon though. A lot of us will be bringing as much work home with us - I'll personally be bringing 25 rolls of vinyl that needs to be cut, weeded, premasked and applied to 100,000 street blades... so it's not like being on shutdown is a vacation for employees, at least not all - we're lucky enough we can keep working from home (My boss was worried when I bought a printer/laminator/cutter a year ago.. now I bet he's happy!) . Just remember - while you're stressed about what this will do to your business,they understand and are stressed about what it'll do to their jobs - it hurts them more than it likely hurts you. People arent being lazy wanting a few weeks off, they just want this whole thing to be over with.

    I get not everyone can just close down - Have to wait for it to be government mandated so that you can provide for your employees, hopefully it happens soon - until then I hope you guys are all taking precautions! We have all doors locked with signs pointing to our shipping bay door, customers / delivery drivers are to ring a bell to get it open, then theres a pickup / dropoff area so our shipping/receiving crew don't have to go near anyone. All sales reps / office people are also working from home when possible - We bought 100 liters (Overkill) Of alcohol, 50 spray bottles and everyone has their own 70/30 solution to wipe their stations down as needed, as well as made a few gallons of hand sanitizer out of aloe gel and alcohol for everyone to take home some sanitizer / spray bottles to keep them safe at home.

    It may seem overkill to some, and it likely is - but better safe than sorry!
     
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  16. JBurton

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    I refresh this page every other day. I really should go back to daily because it would be a little less shocking I suppose... Keep in mind the (deaths)/(recovered cases) is the current death rate, active cases amount to known unknowns. Not looking good... 15,374/100,430 = .153 = 15.3% mortality rate
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  17. unclebun

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    You're dividing deaths by total recovered. You have to divide by the number of cases. And this infographic is showing only laboratory confirmed cases. The number of actual cases would be a much larger number because the majority of cases are not laboratory confirmed. Try doing the same math of influenza deaths divided by laboratory confirmed cases.
     
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  18. TimToad

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    Whichever way you want to slice it or dice it, its bad and far more lethal than the typical flu. It's compounding effect on those suffering from secondary heart, lung, respiratory illnesses, etc.... is not to be ignored.

    Even at the 2.33% rate among those able to be lab tested and confirmed is exponentially higher than the seasonal flu. With a huge swath of the world not even technologically able to test, track or report for this virus or most others, we have to assume that infection rates in those countries are similar or possibly worse.

    Nor should we ignore the permanent lung damage being observed in those recovering from it.

    We have over 25 million asthmatics and as many COPD, emphysema, etc.. sufferers in the U.S., and many get the seasonal flu, but relatively few die from them thanks to vaccines, built up immunities, proven therapies, prophylactics and easy access to healthcare for the vast majority of them.
     
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  19. Gino

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    Ya know, if this thing is as contagious as some of you are saying, we're ALL gonna get it. Maybe not this week or even month, but according to your statistics, we're gonna get it. So, while we honker down and hide our heads in the sand..... and others go out and do there merry best at doing nothing, what is the solution people ?? You're all good at condemning and poking holes in everyone's theories and expectations, but you don't know yourself. You're just going by whatever news station or pie chart on the website or news station you're listening to, huh ?? You're just good at helping spread panic and fear. Which one of you doctors can tell me what the statistics are after you've been tested and might be free and clear can contract it 2 days later ?? Or a week later ?? Where are those statistics ??

    C'mon people get a grip. We're all in this, but no sense being the Grim Reaper..... or is that a good thing for your kind ??​
     
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  20. XtremeXccessories

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    Yes, there is a good chance we'll all get it eventually. Key word: eventually. If absolutely no precautions are taken and it spreads so rapidly that millions of people need to be hospitalized at once, then things aren't going to end well. But if those people can be spread out over the next 6 months it becomes a lot more manageable. That's why everyone is talking about "flattening the curve" by shutting things down, not completely eradicating the virus. Yes, it will still spread. Yes, most people will probably get it eventually, but not everyone at once, that's the point of all this.

    We don't have the statistics you are asking for, because this has only been around for 3 months as opposed to decades of data for influenza. That's why this needs to be treated so seriously.
     
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