HEALTH INSURANCE!........How I loathe you!

[bob]

The better the health insurance you have, the worse your health will be...

This is based on some principle, other than the various laws of perversity, known only to you and your fellow fruitcakes?

Cancel your insurance, and take care of yourself. Don't smoke, drink, exercise, Go vegan. Meat products are the #1 cause of cancer. Cheese, milk aren't fit for human consumption. Raw fruit and vegetables are delicious and very palatable, when properly prepared, while on the other hand.... Coffee and prescription drugs, are a curse.

Prescription drugs a curse? Right. Prescription drugs have saved and extended more lives than all of your vegan-raw-fruit twaddle ever has or will.

I read food ingredient labels judiciously,. I look for real food, with little or no crapp...

Crapp? Is that a flavoring, coloring, or preservative? Regardless, it's reasonably harmless.

I am giving the best medical advice ever, so do these things and you may consider firing your physician.
Hospitals would have to close if people cared about their health.

You, sir or madam as the case may be, are certifiable. You need to hie yourself to the nearest home for the mentally indisposed and, once there, introduce yourself to the staff.

 

[visual800]

The better the health insurance you have, the worse your health will be.

Cancel your insurance, and take care of yourself. Don't smoke, drink, exercise, Go vegan. Meat products are the #1 cause of cancer. Cheese, milk aren't fit for human consumption. Raw fruit and vegetables are delicious and very palatable, when properly prepared, while on the other hand.... Coffee and prescription drugs, are a curse.

I read food ingredient labels judiciously,. I look for real food, with little or no crapp.

I am giving the best medical advice ever, so do these things and you may consider firing your physician.
Hospitals would have to close if people cared about their health.

I totally agree with some of this. Organic is the way to cancel out most of these bad things or diseases going around. But I myself am on synthoid and testo shots because my pituitary was "killed" when a tumor wrapped around it. I will never get off these meds but I do hope I add no more to it, some meds cannot be avoided.

As far as having insurance, referring to my above statement, that tumor had to be removed from brain, Thank God I had insurance. Organic foods was not going to help that situation, nor will it help when someone T-Bones you in traffic, just a reality you have to have insurance

 

[CanuckSigns]

Go vegan. Meat products are the #1 cause of cancer.

I would love to see a real source for this, not some website put up by some vegan fruitcake trying to justify their position, a real honest independent source.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I would love to see a real source for this, not some website put up by some vegan fruitcake trying to justify their position, a real honest independent source.

You know what I always find ironic, is that the first GMO product to hit US grocery stores wasn't a meat product, but the humble tomato (Flavr Savr)

Of course, the very first GMO to hit the shelves in any capacity here had to do with insulin.

I mention GMOs, because that's the only connection that I could fathom for meats that cause cancer. Would be to go for the GMO feeding angle or hormone treatment angle etc.

 

[David Wright]

Decalman, Steve Job's ghost disagrees with you on the fruit diet.

Fruits and fruit juices are not only high on the glycemic index, but loaded with fructose. In all but small quantities, they greatly stress the liver and pancreas, contribute to diabetes and many other blood sugar disorders, and have been linked to pancreatic cancer. Jobs suffered from a type of pancreatic cancer known as islet cell carcinoma, which originates in the insulin-secreting beta cells.

I know, probably specious logic but so is yours.

Of course, moderation is always good, balance with fruit, vegetables etc. Still chances are good you may need the surgeons' knife.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

As far as having insurance, referring to my above statement, that tumor had to be removed from brain, Thank God I had insurance. Organic foods was not going to help that situation, nor will it help when someone T-Bones you in traffic, just a reality you have to have insurance

Or when "you" have a few horse related accidents that you just have to hope that they heal relatively well (although I still gimp quite a bit and it gets worse with colder weather).

Going without insurance since '01 doesn't bother me near as much as having to subsidize it for someone else as a penalty for me not having it.

I've made my bed and I have to sleep in it, but that does chafe me the wrong way.

 

[decalman]

A t Bob. ( The cowboy guy)

Your wisdom is foolishness.

Are you a sickly diseased person, both mentally and physically?
Do you have cancer of the mouth and brain.
Can anyone that follows your dark advice live?

 

[decalman]

This is based on some principle, other than the various laws of perversity, known only to you and your fellow fruitcakes?



Prescription drugs a curse? Right. Prescription drugs have saved and extended more lives than all of your vegan-raw-fruit twaddle ever has or will.



Crapp? Is that a flavoring, coloring, or preservative? Regardless, it's reasonably harmless.



You, sir or madam as the case may be, are certifiable. You need to hie yourself to the nearest home for the mentally indisposed and, once there, introduce yourself to the staff.

At Bob. ( The cowboy guy)

Prescription drugs are the leading cause of death in the US.
Get your facts straight.
You know nothing.

 

[decalman]

Steve Jobs was probably assassinated

But I get your point. Now and then someone Croak's

Vegans live 10 years longer on average and are lots healthier than Buffoon's that indulge on diseased animal flesh.
Just go to slaughter house and ask the workers what they eat. They are vegans more often than not.

 

[chester215]

At Bob. ( The cowboy guy)

Prescription drugs are the leading cause of death in the US.
Get your facts straight.
You know nothing.

Not to be too picky as a meat eating prescription taking citizen but according to Prescriptions Drugs Now the Leading Cause Of Death By Overdose >> Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

The leading cause of death is by Overdose of prescription drugs, not by the intended use of them.

 

[Gino]

I just admire your determination.

 

[Ragnabrok]

Thoughts on health insurance --> presciption drugs are suicide
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[TimToad]

Our local hospital is one of my customers, I asked my contact there a few months ago how obamacare policies are working for them, he said that emergency room visits for non emergency problems have increased because the majority of people with subsidized policies can't pay their deductibles.

I did signage for a wedding reception/banquet hall last month. It is owned by a 40 something year old doctor who just retired. He didn't retire because he is filthy rich, he was losing money in his practice. To comply with all the rules and paperwork needed for the ACA costs a fortune just for the software needed. The only way he could have stayed an active doctor would have been to sell his practice and work directly for the hospital, and he wanted no part of that.
Our new governor decided to do the medicaid expansion. Sounds good in principal, but the only doctors that accept medicaid are the one that work directly for the hospital. Having medical coverage is useless if the doctors can't afford to treat you.

I would never want to use anything that happens in a state ranked nearly 50th in EVERY quality of life or economic category as an example to lead by. Further, anecdotal stories told by one doctor who was probably drunk at a wedding seems like it isn't all that reliable of a measure to base policy decisions on.

Your new governor is playing catch up now after your previous governor played politics with his citizen's health and refused to join the exchange.

 

[TimToad]

I've looked at this and also other Christian options (similar). Pricing is slightly better... but much higher out of pocket, and no annual write-off (which equates to a monthly value to me).

As with most things in life, insurance and politics, the devil is in the details.

 

[TimToad]

You know what I always find ironic, is that the first GMO product to hit US grocery stores wasn't a meat product, but the humble tomato (Flavr Savr)

Of course, the very first GMO to hit the shelves in any capacity here had to do with insulin.

I mention GMOs, because that's the only connection that I could fathom for meats that cause cancer. Would be to go for the GMO feeding angle or hormone treatment angle etc.

When you cook meat and it hits a certain temperature, chemical compounds are created that have been shown to be mutagenic. Especially when cooked over open flame. We all love our grills, but they are a risk.

Chemicals in Meat Cooked at High Temperatures and Cancer Risk - National Cancer Institute

The connection between eating processed meats high in nitrites, nitrates and other artificial preservatives like salamis, sandwich meats, cured meats, etc... has been pretty much indisputable fact for decades.

 

[TimToad]

Or when "you" have a few horse related accidents that you just have to hope that they heal relatively well (although I still gimp quite a bit and it gets worse with colder weather).

Going without insurance since '01 doesn't bother me near as much as having to subsidize it for someone else as a penalty for me not having it.

I've made my bed and I have to sleep in it, but that does chafe me the wrong way.

I'm pretty sure your couple hundred dollar penalty in protest won't buy any freeloaders much insurance. A principled stand to a few, idiotic shortsightedness to most. Billions of civilized humans around the industrialized world gladly and willingly pay taxes to receive something that they deem a critical benefit of living in organized society.

I am in complete support of your principled stand, just don't ever utilize any healthcare facility that receives taxpayer support in any way without bringing your suitcase full of cash to pay for the treatment you receive in full at the time of service. We do have choices, as long as those choices aren't abandoned hypocritically at a time of need or inconvenience.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Cooking meats to a second death is sometching else.

Everything that we eat, cooked or uncooked has its pros and cons. Some more then others for sure, but they all have their issues.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I'm pretty sure your couple hundred dollar penalty in protest won't buy any freeloaders much insurance. A principled stand to a few, idiotic shortsightedness to most. Billions of civilized humans around the industrialized world gladly and willingly pay taxes to receive something that they deem a critical benefit of living in organized society.

I am in complete support of your principled stand, just don't ever utilize any healthcare facility that receives taxpayer support in any way without bringing your suitcase full of cash to pay for the treatment you receive in full at the time of service. We do have choices, as long as those choices aren't abandoned hypocritically at a time of need or inconvenience.

You don't get it. Despite have injuries in that time period, I haven't gone to a doctor. Period.

 

[TimToad]

You don't get it. Despite have injuries in that time period, I haven't gone to a doctor. Period.

Oh, I get it all too well.

I fully support your right to refuse medical treatment if that's your desire and your right to live without medical care. Period.

All I'm suggesting is to stay consistent. When something doesn't feel right, or you actually get ill beyond anything you can't self-medicate for, just don't go wimp on us and abandon your principles. In this country, you are free to die a premature or excruciatingly painful death and I encourage that.

 

[TammieH]

In Canada everything is free. You join a ministry to pray for an appointment. I recently got my GP to get me an appointment with a rheumatologist and the date is in 10 months.

It can take 3 months or more to see a specialist here in the states, and finally after 7 years I will have insurance starting in January through my domestic partner...if I can make it that long.

Honestly, since corporations are burdened by health insurance I am not sure why they do not help fight for a national healthcare system,