HEALTH INSURANCE!........How I loathe you!

[WildWestDesigns]

All I'm suggesting is to stay consistent. When something doesn't feel right, or you actually get ill beyond anything you can't self-medicate for, just don't go wimp on us and abandon your principles. In this country, you are free to die a premature or excruciatingly painful death and I encourage that.

Don't worry, if it's something that I cannot pay for out of pocket, I don't go. I firmly believe that you pay your own way. It sucks when you can't do it or you have to pick and choose when you go, but that's what I firmly believe.

If "you" can't afford health insurance, then everything is out of pocket. If that means that I can't afford a treatment, then I'm SOL. That's the bed that I made. Make no mistake, I follow that.

The only reason that I'm actually mentioning this period is that I don't want someone thinking "Well, of course he is going to say that, he has a nice cushion health plan as it is" (which is irrelevant even if it was true, but I wanted to make sure that no one was able to think that).

 

[peavey123]

At Bob. ( The cowboy guy)

Prescription drugs are the leading cause of death in the US.
Get your facts straight.
You know nothing.

According to the center for disease that's not true...I don't see perscription drugs on there anywhere.

• Heart disease: 614,348
  • Cancer: 591,699
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
  • Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
  • Diabetes: 76,488
  • Influenza and pneumonia: 55,227
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,146
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773

Telling people to get their facts straight all while claiming things that aren't true but backed by infowars.com. You fit right in with us sign people! We're all ****ing nuts. lol

 

[cajun312]

I would never want to use anything that happens in a state ranked nearly 50th in EVERY quality of life or economic category as an example to lead by. Further, anecdotal stories told by one doctor who was probably drunk at a wedding seems like it isn't all that reliable of a measure to base policy decisions on.

Your new governor is playing catch up now after your previous governor played politics with his citizen's health and refused to join the exchange.

Why would the ex doctor be drunk when we met on his project? Are you that stupid?

 

[GAC05]

Clinical studies, using a large sample size & appropriate time scale show that being born results in a 100% mortality rate.
Time spent studying the nutritional value on the federally mandated label on a bottle of water did not appear to effect the outcome to a measurable degree.


wayne k
guam usa

 

[Bobby H]

I continue to be amazed at all the working class people who defend the United States' "free market" health care system. There's really nothing "free market" about it.

We have lots of localized monopolies with no standards or controls on how treatment is priced. Medical patients don't have the luxury of shopping around when they're suddenly in need of treatment. And even if they can compare prices from service providers they are never given a clear, truthful picture of what treatment really costs. Big pharma has thousands of patent controls to protect the sky high prices of their products and got the US government to put laws in places preventing the government from getting competitive pricing on what they pay for via Medicare and Medicaid. Private insurance companies are often cast as the bad guys. They're greedy enough with their own profit motives, but they're stuck in the middle of a very bad equation: unchecked greed of service providers and an American population that is aging rapidly and embracing very stupid, self-destructive life style choices. It's part of flag-waving culture to stuff cheeseburgers, cigarettes and joints in our faces. Add to that the fact our policy makers don't have any good plans for end of life care. That's one of the biggest cost inflation factors in the whole situation.

America's health care industrial complex overwhelmingly depends on Medicare and Medicaid to survive. If we took out the government funding and made these hospitals, clinics and doctors offices survive only on what people could pay out of pocket nearly all of them would fail immediately. Let's not forget about some of the estate scams run by these service providers. I remember the hospital in my town trying to get their paws on my Great Aunt's home after she passed away in their facility, despite the fact Medicare covered her treatment. If my family hadn't got a few lawyers involved they would have seized her house no questions asked. Greedy scumbags.

I also laugh at some of the hypocrisy coming from folks only discovering the high cost of health care and health insurance via the Affordable Care Act. For the past 15 years my company has been stuck constantly shopping for coverage. Years before the ACA took effect we endured terrible policies with $6000 deductibles and wondering if we would have any coverage at all the next renewal date. The ACA gave us a little bit of a price break, but not much. Now it looks like we'll go back to the earlier, but still terrible arrangement. By this time next year I doubt I'll have any health insurance coverage.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I continue to be amazed at all the working class people who defend the United States' "free market" health care system. There's really nothing "free market" about it.

We have lots of localized monopolies with no standards or controls on how treatment is priced. Medical patients don't have the luxury of shopping around when they're suddenly in need of treatment. And even if they can compare prices from service providers they are never given a clear, truthful picture of what treatment really costs. Big pharma has thousands of patent controls to protect the sky high prices of their products and got the US government to put laws in places preventing the government from getting competitive pricing on what they pay for via Medicare and Medicaid. Private insurance companies are often cast as the bad guys. They're greedy enough with their own profit motives, but they're stuck in the middle of a very bad equation: unchecked greed of service providers and an American population that is aging rapidly and embracing very stupid, self-destructive life style choices. It's part of flag-waving culture to stuff cheeseburgers, cigarettes and joints in our faces. Add to that the fact our policy makers don't have any good plans for end of life care. That's one of the biggest cost inflation factors in the whole situation.

America's health care industrial complex overwhelmingly depends on Medicare and Medicaid to survive. If we took out the government funding and made these hospitals, clinics and doctors offices survive only on what people could pay out of pocket nearly all of them would fail immediately. Let's not forget about some of the estate scams run by these service providers. I remember the hospital in my town trying to get their paws on my Great Aunt's home after she passed away in their facility, despite the fact Medicare covered her treatment. If my family hadn't got a few lawyers involved they would have seized her house no questions asked. Greedy scumbags.

Our system is broken, that much I agree with you, but I highly doubt anyone really wants to do a true fix. Or at least a better fix. Short term wise, I can easily see it hurting a lot of people. A lot. That would be political suicide for anyone to do that.

I also laugh at some of the hypocrisy coming from folks only discovering the high cost of health care and health insurance via the Affordable Care Act. For the past 15 years my company has been stuck constantly shopping for coverage. Years before the ACA took effect we endured terrible policies with $6000 deductibles and wondering if we would have any coverage at all the next renewal date. The ACA gave us a little bit of a price break, but not much. Now it looks like we'll go back to the earlier, but still terrible arrangement. By this time next year I doubt I'll have any health insurance coverage.

This is the way that it was when I was under my dad's coverage. His company (and they were still doing that up until the time he retired) where always going from one place to another. They would even go back to the ones that were used maybe 4 yrs ago as well. I remember one coverage actually had dental, but we still paid out of pocket for that, because it was a pain to get anything taken care via insurance.

 

[TimToad]

Don't worry, if it's something that I cannot pay for out of pocket, I don't go. I firmly believe that you pay your own way. It sucks when you can't do it or you have to pick and choose when you go, but that's what I firmly believe.

If "you" can't afford health insurance, then everything is out of pocket. If that means that I can't afford a treatment, then I'm SOL. That's the bed that I made. Make no mistake, I follow that.

The only reason that I'm actually mentioning this period is that I don't want someone thinking "Well, of course he is going to say that, he has a nice cushion health plan as it is" (which is irrelevant even if it was true, but I wanted to make sure that no one was able to think that).

So, you pay cash in full for everything in your life or you do without it? No mortgage? No payment plans of any kind? No credit cards? No car loans? No installment payments for other kinds of insurance?

Its all your choice of course, but I respect it if true in its entirety. There are lots of things in life I can do without and would rather not pay for as I go, but healthcare is not one of them. This is our very existence we're talking about. Some illnesses are not curable without professional diagnosis and treatment.

 

[TimToad]

Why would the ex doctor be drunk when we met on his project? Are you that stupid?

He was at a wedding wasn't he?

Most people drink at weddings and if he was spouting some ridiculous BS like that, I'd guess he was drunk.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

So, you pay cash in full for everything in your life or you do without it? No mortgage? No payment plans of any kind? No credit cards? No car loans? No installment payments for other kinds of insurance?

I don't buy a vehicle unless I can pay for it out right. I may own one for a decade before I get a new one, but it's paid for in full.

No mortgage. Home is owned outright.

Do have a debit card.

I don't do instalment plans, because in the long run they cost more. I actually forgo incentives for those that take a certain payment plan etc. I don't like messing with that. I even threatened to kill a deal on a new vehicle if they mentioned the incentives for a minimum 3 month payment plan (I think it was $1k incentive) one more time.

but healthcare is not one of them. This is our very existence we're talking about. Some illnesses are not curable without professional diagnosis and treatment.

I am not disagreeing with you there. I'm not.

The fact remains that it still isn't affordable for everyone, subsidy or otherwise. At that point, you have to take care of what you can and hope for the best. Rather or not a person agrees with that situation or likes that situation or whatever doesn't change that fact.

Rather you believe what I say above or not, that's your call.

 

[cajun312]

He was at a wedding wasn't he?

Most people drink at weddings and if he was spouting some ridiculous BS like that, I'd guess he was drunk.

You are the one who made up the wedding, I never mentioned a wedding.

 

[TimToad]

I continue to be amazed at all the working class people who defend the United States' "free market" health care system. There's really nothing "free market" about it.

We have lots of localized monopolies with no standards or controls on how treatment is priced. Medical patients don't have the luxury of shopping around when they're suddenly in need of treatment. And even if they can compare prices from service providers they are never given a clear, truthful picture of what treatment really costs. Big pharma has thousands of patent controls to protect the sky high prices of their products and got the US government to put laws in places preventing the government from getting competitive pricing on what they pay for via Medicare and Medicaid. Private insurance companies are often cast as the bad guys. They're greedy enough with their own profit motives, but they're stuck in the middle of a very bad equation: unchecked greed of service providers and an American population that is aging rapidly and embracing very stupid, self-destructive life style choices. It's part of flag-waving culture to stuff cheeseburgers, cigarettes and joints in our faces. Add to that the fact our policy makers don't have any good plans for end of life care. That's one of the biggest cost inflation factors in the whole situation.

America's health care industrial complex overwhelmingly depends on Medicare and Medicaid to survive. If we took out the government funding and made these hospitals, clinics and doctors offices survive only on what people could pay out of pocket nearly all of them would fail immediately. Let's not forget about some of the estate scams run by these service providers. I remember the hospital in my town trying to get their paws on my Great Aunt's home after she passed away in their facility, despite the fact Medicare covered her treatment. If my family hadn't got a few lawyers involved they would have seized her house no questions asked. Greedy scumbags.

I also laugh at some of the hypocrisy coming from folks only discovering the high cost of health care and health insurance via the Affordable Care Act. For the past 15 years my company has been stuck constantly shopping for coverage. Years before the ACA took effect we endured terrible policies with $6000 deductibles and wondering if we would have any coverage at all the next renewal date. The ACA gave us a little bit of a price break, but not much. Now it looks like we'll go back to the earlier, but still terrible arrangement. By this time next year I doubt I'll have any health insurance coverage.

I'm not sure of the age of some of the folks doing the most complaining about the ACA, but it seems to me that many are either too young to remember the "good 'ol days" of exactly how you've described it, or they just have an axe to grind about the president and some memes on social media and in the mainstream media itself paved the way for the criticisms of the plan as another way to kneecap Hillary.

President Obama NEVER tried to sell as a perfect solution to our healthcare problems. It has always been described as a first step towards full coverage for all and would need tweaking and adjustments to create the kind of savings and efficiency it potentially could add. There are plenty of good aspects of it, like the bans on discriminating against those with pre-existing conditions which was widely used as a gouging tactic before.

We all now what the real long term solution to our healthcare issues is, but that would require admitting that we actually are a quasi-socialist country, and that would undermine all the efforts of those pushing a Cold War mentality on us. Its hard to undue 60 years of indoctrination overnight. We already have socialized medicine for the poor, elderly and the military, but somehow the rest of us can't seem to embrace that fact.

 

[Gino]

I'm not sure of the age of some of the folks doing the most complaining about the ACA, but it seems to me that many are either too young to remember the "good 'ol days" of exactly how you've described it, or they just have an axe to grind about the president and some memes on social media and in the mainstream media itself paved the way for the criticisms of the plan as another way to kneecap Hillary.

President Obama NEVER tried to sell as a perfect solution to our healthcare problems. It has always been described as a first step towards full coverage for all and would need tweaking and adjustments to create the kind of savings and efficiency it potentially could add. There are plenty of good aspects of it, like the bans on discriminating against those with pre-existing conditions which was widely used as a gouging tactic before.

We all now what the real long term solution to our healthcare issues is, but that would require admitting that we actually are a quasi-socialist country, and that would undermine all the efforts of those pushing a Cold War mentality on us. Its hard to undue 60 years of indoctrination overnight. We already have socialized medicine for the poor, elderly and the military, but somehow the rest of us can't seem to embrace that fact.

Ya know, you should try to keep your political views out of this. Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, just please stay on topic.

Regardless of one's age, we are all responsible for wherever we are at in life, due to our decisions throughout our lifetime. What you do, eat or believe, try not to bash another's views based upon your blinded views.

 

[Bobby H]

Regardless of anyone's political bias, the United States' current health care system is operating under a mathematically unsustainable model. The math is getting worse year after year. That is an absolute undeniable fact. The United States currently spends 17.5% of its GDP on health care. Over $3 trillion. That is by far the highest percentage in the world. And we're on pace to pass the 20% in just a few years if current trends go unchecked. The nightmarish high costs are literally killing people. That "Hippocratic Oath" defenders of this system mention is very limited. Doctors and hospitals are under no obligation to treat you for something like cancer if you cannot afford it. At best they only have to temporarily stabilize you and then send you home to die. But who cares about other people dying of disease or getting bankrupted by it if you yourself are not sick? This huge cost suck the health care industry is doing on the US is ultimately very bad for our economy. The more people have to spend on health care costs equals less money they can spend elsewhere in the economy, at restaurants, retail stores, entertainment spots and many other kinds of businesses. None of our sign companies could survive if we only made signs for hospitals. It's high time that "pro business" political types realize health care is eating up way too big a slice of the economic pie.

 

[player]

All you need is your picture on one of these for cradle to grave health care:

 

[GAC05]

<All you need is your picture on one of these for cradle to grave health care:>

I just tried the online immigration application and was rejected when I un-checked the box that asked if I could understand and use the metric system.


wayne k
guam usa

 

[player]

<All you need is your picture on one of these for cradle to grave health care:>

I just tried the online immigration application and was rejected when I un-checked the box that asked if I could understand and use the metric system.


wayne k
guam usa

Haha... I was in grade 8 when they changed to metric. I never fully recovered. Fortunately most trades, materials, tools etc. are still imperial.

 

[David Wright]

Sorry Player, I couldn't take everything else that goes with it.

 

[player]

Sorry Player, I couldn't take everything else that goes with it.

Not sure... but not really caring either.

 

[CanuckSigns]

Sorry Player, I couldn't take everything else that goes with it.

Ohhh do tell, what exactly is it that goes with it that would be unbearable compared to what you currently have?

 

[decalman]

According to the center for disease that's not true...I don't see perscription drugs on there anywhere.

• Heart disease: 614,348
  • Cancer: 591,699
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
  • Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
  • Diabetes: 76,488
  • Influenza and pneumonia: 55,227
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,146
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773

Telling people to get their facts straight all while claiming things that aren't true but backed by infowars.com. You fit right in with us sign people! We're all ****ing nuts. lol

This is called Propaganda. It's everywhere, and it's dazzling. The center's for disease control is in partnership with the AMA .
You know the good old ama. There logo is the serpent of Satan on a stick.
They make zillions of dollars drug pushing.
According to Harvard University 128,000 people died from prescription drugs given them. I believe the actual number is many times higher, because this is such big money.

Go and Google the word pharmaceutical . It's a Latin word, and it translates into SORCERY.

Deception is all around, sad to say.
You got to go to multiple sites to find truth
Just type in ....How many people die from prescription drugs.

Next time, give all the facts or maybe just stay out of the way.
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