Profanity on wraps???

[3dsignco]

Ohhhh.. I know what I meant to say.

Its Called RESPECT

Or lack of....

 

[TheSnowman]

Oh Bob...

 

[jiarby]

he may have the right to say whatever he wants but that isn't going to keep him from attracting possibly unwanted attention (police, vandalism) It may not be worth it, and could be contradictory to his goals (increasing business). Check out 'Cohen v California' 1968... the kid ended up being right by a 5-4 margin, but went through alot of hassle about it.

There is a line between being a business consultant or marketing/advertising firm and being a sign/wrap guy. Is it your job to police his slogan? Are you charging a rate commensurate with the service you are providing (business marketing consulting). Or, are you giving a bargain basement sqft price for vinyl without getting paid for design consulting?

Marketing/Ad firms get alot of money for doling out this kind of advice (your slogan sucks, here is a new one). Don't give it away.

 

[SignManiac]

#$$% %&!$%#@ ^&%& $$%$ #$#@# Is all I have to say about this matter!

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

its a tough call. there is a market for every product. my good friend owns http://materialbitch.com

its a niche market. and he makes a KILLER living off it. granted its not on a vehicle in traffic.

this may tell you something as i have offered him to wrap his car for free as we go back years. his response was that he wants NOTHING on his vehicle to do with his site. EVER.

the medium is everything. a website offers anonimity. a car doesnt. ethics aside, do what you have to do to make money. your clients efforts do not reflect your own. you are there to provide a service.

if you didnt believe in god, but a client asked you to wrap their car in a jesus theme, would you object? or are you there to provide a service?

we are all adults. our methods are our own. i dont care what you bring me. its ink and media. if you are a paying customer, ill do what you write a check for me to do. whether or not i will bring it into my life and put it in my portfolio is a different question.

but at the end of the day, im here to provide a service. and im not here to judge or project my ethics or feelings on to you. friend, foe, or customer.

Well actually, I know a few people who would most certainly turn down a wrap that promotes Jesus or any other organized religion. Just as I would & have turned down jobs that promote violence, hatred or treat women as an ends to a means. I have my values & ethics & to sell them out for a buck ( or thousands) would be disingenuous & lacking in integrity. Some folks value the dollor above all those things (not you necessarily). My point is...some people "choose" not so be paid for providing a service that promotes something they are adamantly against.
I try my best not to sell out my integrity. It's not always easy when the cash is waved in your face...but I feel good about the decision.

 

[ProWraps]

im a service based business, not a morality one. thats what the catholic church is for.

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

im a service based business, not a morality one. thats what the catholic church is for.

Well I don't really like the Catholic church at all for MANY reasons. It's an organization that isn't always "good" (wink wink).
I'm also a service based business. But I reserve the right to deny "serving" certain businesses that promote (fill in the blank). I have that right and you have the right to help them. I wasn't saying you were wrong for serving any & everyone. I was answering the remark below

"..do what you have to do to make money. your clients efforts do not reflect your own. you are there to provide a service.
if you didnt believe in god, but a client asked you to wrap their car in a jesus theme, would you object? or are you there to provide a service?"

Yes, I provide a service. But there are those of us who WON'T do what we have to to make money if it conflicts with the integrity of ourselves & even our business. Somebody has to do websites & flyers for porn...It just aint gonna come from my business. Not knocking you personally.

 

[Bigdawg]

Well... I always thought I was a pretty moral person... with integrity...

am sad to find out that doing nudie calendars and magazines has taken that all away from me... pretty sure doing the G-Spot trailer would too (not).

It didn't... at all... my morality says that the human body is a beautiful thing and I got no objection to it.

My cussing line is the G-D word... won't use it... won't deal with it... won't print it... but just because I don't mind the other cuss words or nudity - that doesn't make me immoral or lacking in integrity.

But to the "holier-than-thou" crowd I'm sure it would.

I don't remember ever hearing Thou Shalt Hide Your Body from all views... but I do remember him saying not to take his name in vain....

 

[ProWraps]

i completely understand and didnt take it personally. this is what is great about the country we live in. we can each chose our own path.

 

[Gino]

I think this goes a little beyond doing a wrap for a Catholic Church van vs. a Porn Star's bus.....

Here’s something that happened to me about a month ago.​

We did a sign for our city this past autumn at a very prestigious location. It all started with some goofy looking kid coming in and asking for help with a sign he was doing for his Boy Scout Eagle Badge.

Our part was to fabricate the sign and paint it, but he wanted to be involved and I didn’t stop him although he was not at all good with his hands…… for anything.

Anyway, after everything was finished and the sign was unveiled and there were all kinds of ceremonies with the Mayor and other dignitaries…. we all went home. All went well.

A week later I was notified of being invited to appear on television and in the city chambers to receive an award. Well, I didn’t want to go because I did this project to help the kid and do something for my home town… I didn’t want any recognition like this. Well, I wasn’t allowed to refuse…. and getting up in front of a rather large audience when my name was called and standing along side of all the wonderful people and others that also helped in the project…. which one was a Disney designer of some 30 years….. I was shoulder to shoulder with some really great people. Do you think I’d want to be there if I wrote the word S**T or F**K on this sign or a truck and the whole area know I did that. No one listens to the actual details… they just assume and you get in trouble or get a bad rap for doing something you might not agree on but for the mighty buck you did it and now you’ll be labeled as being nothing more than a hack artist or some schmuck that will do anything to make a quick buck. If that’s your definition of freedom of speech… you can keep it, because I value my rights and exercise them in a much better way than the looks of some of you people. I’m not passing judgment on you for what you do, but I feel in my heart I am worth more than just making a ‘Quick Buck’ at anyone’s expense.

We sell signs, letter trucks and just about every other type advertisement you can think of and I don’t have to stoop to low levels of selling total crapolla. I can keep my head high and say about EVERY sign I’ve ever made…. I did that without cringing. They aren’t all masterpieces, but they’re all 100% good in my book. ​

So, for those that will sell this stuff that is basically looked down upon by your peers…. would you show that stuff to your daughters and mothers and proudly say…. Look what I did today. I can spell the word S**T and get away with it. Next I will show you how to lower your scruples so you too can get a head in life. In fact Suzie, maybe we’ll find you a boyfriend with F**K written on his T shirt…… and I think his feel for the freedom of speech is what my little girl needs. Yessiree, this wide misuse of respect for our language in public sure goes a long way and says a lot about one’s character…. or lack of.

 

[ProWraps]

this is what is great about the country we live in. we can each chose our own path.

i salute you gino. thank god you live in a country where you can have your beliefs just like the rest of us. unfortunately you completely miss read my statement about the catholic church but thats ok. my reference wasnt about wraping a bus for the church nor a porn star.

it was about my business not being in the business of morality. its in the business of wrapping cars. the church is in the business of morality. and just as they dont wrap cars, i dont do their job. if that makes me a 'quick buck low life hack' well, ill cry about it all the way to the bank as i put food on the table on the way.

but i will also sleep very well at night knowing that the wrap i put on, was one hell of a good job and that i did the job i set out to do.

 

[Kentucky Wraps]

Well... I always thought I was a pretty moral person... with integrity...

am sad to find out that doing nudie calendars and magazines has taken that all away from me... pretty sure doing the G-Spot trailer would too (not).

It didn't... at all... my morality says that the human body is a beautiful thing and I got no objection to it.

My cussing line is the G-D word... won't use it... won't deal with it... won't print it... but just because I don't mind the other cuss words or nudity - that doesn't make me immoral or lacking in integrity.

But to the "holier-than-thou" crowd I'm sure it would.

I don't remember ever hearing Thou Shalt Hide Your Body from all views... but I do remember him saying not to take his name in vain....

I didn't say YOU would lack integrity. I said I would because I'm against it. If you aren't against it...then you don't lack integrity. It's not a holier than thou...it's a "to thine self be true" I guess.

 

[Gino]

No Pro... I didn't miss your point at all.

I guess you didn't comprehend what I wrote. I stand tall and proud to do so with each and every job I do. I feel the same with my friends [not all of my relatives though]

I don't need to insert the little jab of crying to the bank because that goes without saying we all cry going to the bank....... after taxes. :ROFLMAO: This isn't a pissing contest of who makes what doing what, but a debate more on why one chooses to do naughty things and defend it while full well knowing it's rough from almost every standpoint, but yet you still defend something wrong. Sure, someone has to do it, but what in your head says you can go against probably everything you learned growing up ?? I'm sure your mother or father didn't teach you to go out and spray paint bad words on your neighbor's wall.... or your teacher at school didn't indicate in the margins to write every swear word you could think of to get a better grade. So, where does this notion that freedom of speech says you can make my view crummy ?? I'm not being a bible-thumping prick either.... I'm asking why your rights are more important than mine and you can do it, but I'm a prude for objecting ?? Is this how you were raised or taught ?? If not, where did you learn this stuff ??

My point has more to do with why you chose a road of being a sign whore and will do anything for a buck and not even blink about what mind you might hurt or words from a father to his daughter to explain the filth you helped put on the public streets.


Like Kentucky said... I'm not passing any judgment on you or anyone else for doing nudie calendars or wraps or writing crude words on the side of vehicles.... I'm merely pointing out I don't have to do, but I chose not to do it when the first occasion happened and I haven't altered my way of thinking yet, that I know of........

 

[ProWraps]

your post above make me laugh out loud. playing the victim role is about the biggest understatement ive ever seen. every post you have made has made jabs and pushed your condescending views. you have even just referred to me as a whore. did your mom teach you that? or your teacher?

i have done nothing of the sort (condescend or push my views on you which poor you took offense to). i have expressed the beauty of your ability to have your views and me to have mine.

you would make ONE HELL of a politician because you spin like a top.

edit: just wanted to reiterate my stance in the sense that we all can have our own opinion and that is really what im happy about.

 

[GVP]

I would submit it is impossible for something to offend you, only for you to be offended by something (a subtle difference)

 

[javila]

Should probably look up decency laws in your area.