Tariff on Sign Blanks?

[TimToad]

I was surprised we did not have tariffs on those materials already. How come the government makes us pay for permits, fees for having licenses in the city, county and state to do business, but does not charge outside countries to do business with tariffs. Should have been in place long ago.
It will be interesting to see if this all works out.

International trade policy and agreements are usually the exclusive work of the State Dept. and federal government. After a couple decades of so called "free trade" generally pushed by conservatives, the cost of imported goods has been the trade off they've soothed us all with. "Oh, if you want cheaper goods, than we can't impose tariffs which drive up the cost of things"

 

[signbrad]

There is also drinking at your favorite craft brewery with other like minded folks who appreciate the product and helping make for a more interactive experience and community building endeavor.

True, Tim.
Interactive drinking is always better than drinking alone.

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

True, Tim.
Interactive drinking is always better than drinking alone.

Oh, I beg to differ.. Back in my drinking days it was usually better if I was home alone!

 

[Gino]

True, Tim.
Interactive drinking is always better than drinking alone.

Hmmmmm, everyone should believe in something.......... I believe I'll have another drink.

Whether one is alone or with a group, it's a great feeling, as long as you're responsible, just like in business. Be accountable.

So, when prices go up for whatever frickin reason, just raise your prices along with the others and have a toast to capitalism ​

 

[ikarasu]

Sometimes tarrif are good.. though a lot of times they're not .

US steel and aluminum iant as good quality as other countries. It's great that trump wants to boost the US steel job market... But this isn't the right way to do it.

It's the same with soft wood, trump added a huge tarrif on that (not blaming trump... A lot of presidents have done it, and everytime it gets over turned in the WTO and us gets sued for millions on-top of backpay from all the tarrif they added), all our lumber mills are over capacity and fighting for as many logs as they can getz exports to us haven't slowed down at all.

All it's done was increase costs for anything wood. Our lumber is higher quality... So it still gets imported. I don't know if it's increased demand on us lumber, all I know is it hasn't slowed down demand on Canadian lumber exports at all. So I don't see what it acomplished.

Same will happen with steel / aluminum. It's funny how the labor union that was pushing for this, is trying to tell him it's going to far and he should exempt the countries that aren't a problem... But he didn't listen, or at least doesn't appear to be listening. They've warned prices are going to go up quite a bit because of this move.

All the retaliation is going to further increase costs also.

This isn't something 2-4% price increase every company does... A 2-4% per year increase is for inflation. Steel will be adjusting for inflation, + the tarrif.

All it's going to do is raise prices for everyone... It won't curb demand to us steel. Though part of me wishes it does, then Canada will have a surplus, and prices will be cheaper for us!

Trump is probably the worst person to make decisions on this stuff. It'd be like me hiring a sign company to build me a car. He has experts for a reason, choosing to ignore them because you think you know best, in a completely different field than your used to.. that's where I see the problem.

I have no problem with Increased prices, increased taxes, or anything that will make life better. I just think he's focussing on stuff he shouldn't be... Such as coal, and steel, and highly labor intensive jobs that we should get rid of anyways. The world is moving towards automation and clean power. It feels like right now, America has a death grip on the past.

 

[Johnny Best]

Hey Toad! You need to read The Slavery of Our Times by Leo Tolstoy. Might help in your understanding, or maybe not but thought I would give it a try. I know you would like a good Russian story.

 

[Bly]

I'm old enough to remember when we had all sorts of tariffs.
Everything cost 3 or 4 times what they do now, but there were lots of jobs for unskilled workers.

 

[player]

I thinks it's bait and switch. The whole country was upset over the school murders/shooting so trump makes up a new news item.

 

[Johnny Best]

I thinks it's bait and switch. The whole country was upset over the school murders/shooting so trump makes up a new news item.

Trump did it to take the heat off that twit Prime Minister you have who was in the headlines for dressing up himself and family like they were the Beatles visiting the Maharishi. Now he has to deal with the tariff on aluminum instead of his next outfit.

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

I think he's using it as a negotiating tatic. Get everyone in a tizy and then offer a deal to back off of it.

 

[gnemmas]

Only slightly over 2% of steel import is from China. 15% from Canada, 10% from Korea.

More like this is payback for Trudeau...

 

[TimToad]

Hey Toad! You need to read The Slavery of Our Times by Leo Tolstoy. Might help in your understanding, or maybe not but thought I would give it a try. I know you would like a good Russian story.

What does a 100+ year book by one of the greatest writers of all time have to do with the topic of international trade agreements, tariffs, the cost of coffee beans, nearly obsolete ways of producing various products, or my understanding of globalization in our modern world for that matter?

 

[Gino]

Okay, I don't get it. You don't wanna read this novel which may or may not help you, but you believe in an almost 250 year old document which rules our country in this modern world.

 

[Johnny Best]

What does a 100+ year book by one of the greatest writers of all time have to do with the topic of international trade agreements, tariffs, the cost of coffee beans, nearly obsolete ways of producing various products, or my understanding of globalization in our modern world for that matter?

It's not a novel, but as I said you can do what you want but your statement on things relating to government are conjured up by people to have you believe in something that is not fact but develope to have your kind start a movement. Not trying to change your mind about something or anything.
But if someone told you to read about Saul Bass on design, you would look it up and use some of his ideas to further your business needs. Globlalization in our modern world is just another way of saying "spread the wealth".

 

[TimToad]

It's not a novel, but as I said you can do what you want but your statement on things relating to government are conjured up by people to have you believe in something that is not fact but develope to have your kind start a movement. Not trying to change your mind about something or anything.
But if someone told you to read about Saul Bass on design, you would look it up and use some of his ideas to further your business needs. Globlalization in our modern world is just another way of saying "spread the wealth".

I have no idea what "your kind" means, but its an inaccurate perception of yours of my political or economic beliefs.

I don't think the free market capitalists who invented the idea of reciprocal international trade agreements weren't thinking about "spreading the wealth" to anybody but themselves. It certainly wasn't leftists, liberals or even socialists who created it. Industrialists with shrinking natural resource bases and high labor costs are directly responsible for one part of the developed world treating the underdeveloped world as its resource and labor feed lot.

 

[TimToad]

Okay, I don't get it. You don't wanna read this novel which may or may not help you, but you believe in an almost 250 year old document which rules our country in this modern world.

First, how do you know I HAVEN'T read it?

I seem to have the hows and whys of international trade agreements fully understood, so I'm not sure what "help" I need on better understanding what I already know. Johnny was the one who erroneously connected all the local and state taxes, fees, licenses, etc. he must pay to something like NAFTA or GATT, go jump him over his failure to know what he's talking about.

The real question is whether or not it relates to modern day international trade agreements and how they are negotiated, enforced, who benefits most from them and who is responsible for creating them in the first place.

Our constitution isn't relevant to this topic.

 

[Johnny Best]

"Your kind" A term my dear mother used when talking to people while they were trying to convince her of believing in what they said. They usually had the same reaction as you did and talked some gibberish to themselves as you did in your second paragraph as they walked away.
Cliffs notes don't count Toad. And your right Mr. Toad, I do not know what I am talking about, but it is fun watching you jump around all over the place.

 

[ikarasu]

It's a ploy to get Canada to concede on some NAFTA sections. He pretty much said so in his tweet... Saying we have to open up our farming and other stuff and hurry and pass a NAFTA he finds acceptable, or the steel tariffs will go through.

I have to admit, I didn't expect that from him... It's actually a pretty smart move. I think he knows steel Tariffs are just as bad for America as it would be for Canada, but it's a way for him to push his Agenda on getting milk and other products that are protected into Canada.

I personally don't mind opening up our Dairy to US Farmers, I think Trudeau trying to protect it is the same as Trump trying to protect steel jobs. Our milk is double the price of US's, our cheese is also outrageous... Theres no competition, so they don't compete. One thing I like is the quality... You guys allow 2x as much pus and other contaminants in your milk/cheese. So long as US adheres to the standards of dairy, I hope trumps steel tariff threat works, and opens up NAFTA even more.

Look at that... A hippy liberal actually agreeing with trump on something. I guess we're not all stubborn tree huggers as you republicans believe

 

[bob]

I think he's using it as a negotiating tatic. Get everyone in a tizy and then offer a deal to back off of it.

This from perhaps the only one in these waters with a clue. Tariffs are but an opening gambit in a chess game. Most likely with the renegotiation of NAFTA as the ultimate objective. Maybe some other goal but still just the first move.

There seem to be many shoveling on this sand pile who regard Trump as being some level of mentally indisposed. Sorry, but he's been at this game successfully for longer than the most of you have been alive. He's really good at it. You may not like his politics, which you might consider primitive. I find it refreshing after decades of bloviating fools and their toadies who care for nothing besides their own re-election. Nonetheless, underestimate him at your peril.

 

[TimToad]

This from perhaps the only one in these waters with a clue. Tariffs are but an opening gambit in a chess game. Most likely with the renegotiation of NAFTA as the ultimate objective. Maybe some other goal but still just the first move.

There seem to be many shoveling on this sand pile who regard Trump as being some level of mentally indisposed. Sorry, but he's been at this game successfully for longer than the most of you have been alive. He's really good at it. You may not like his politics, which you might consider primitive. I find it refreshing after decades of bloviating fools and their toadies who care for nothing besides their own re-election. Nonetheless, underestimate him at your peril.

If you consider the FACT that if he had just taken his original inheritance and invested in a good mutual fund, he'd have accumulated $2 Billion by now and spared THOUSANDS of contractors, vendors, employees, suppliers, etc. from being screwed out of their contracted due along with saving the taxpayers and creditors BILLIONS in bankruptcy costs and non-productive legal fees, etc.

Not to mention the approximately 3,500 civil lawsuits he and his organization have been the DEFENDANTS in, only a complete fool and admirer of pirates and flim flam men could admire a thing this embarrassment to humanity has ever done. When this hot mess is finally unraveled and prosecuted to its fullest, America will have some real self-reflection to do.

If one admires this brand of unscrupulous, ethically vacant, morally repugnant type of scam artist posing as a business man, I'm sure he has a skyscraper to sell you.

The only person we all underestimated in this travesty of justice is Vladimer Putin and the cabal that he helped steal an election.