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US Tariffs, Sigh!

dypinc

New Member
handuns crossing the border into canada has been an issue since before I was born, it's not a democrat / republican issue. Almost every shooting that takes place here seems to be with a handgun that came over the border.
I wonder how many people get killed in car accidents from cars that came across the border?
 

BigNate

New Member
The crossings we're talking about don't take place at the regular places like between Detroit and Windsor. They're making those more onerous but it's not where the illegal crossings happen. Apparently it's up in the northwoods of Maine and Vermont or something.
Illegal crossings happen at the controlled border as well - used to be the main way to come in as it was easier than trying to hike through the boonies.... for the vast majority of our 224 year history, the USA borders have been much more open than they have been for the past few decades.... the majority of our presidents presided over very open borders compared to today.
 

Johnny Best

Active Member
What bothers me is the French Canadians with their bigcars or trucks towing their mobile homes. Then when they stop at a rest area they get out with their overweight wives and clog up the food lines talking with their other buddies and fat wives from Canada. If it is so great in Canada, stay there and do not bother me.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
Are you sure?...........under Carter, Reagan, and Clinton I could cross Northern or Southern borders using only a state id or driver license... I even came back into USA using a HS school id when I was 15 (and driving a rental car that was rented to someone I was not related to nor were they in the car!)

I haven't heard anyone having it this easy in many years.
Yes, I'm sure. The southern border was open like a seive. I don't know much about the Canadian border. I'm closer to the southern border. I also know that there's never really been much of a problem with our border with Canadians because it's not a trade route. I did see on the news that Trudeau is fortifying the border. So that's why I asked. But looking at the handgun homicides, it looks like the northern border was never a problem.

I'm not sure what having a state id or drivers license has to do with your comment. Its the same for every american. The problem isn't at the ports of entry....
 

BigNate

New Member
Yes, I'm sure. The southern border was open like a seive. I don't know much about the Canadian border. I'm closer to the southern border. I also know that there's never really been much of a problem with our border with Canadians because it's not a trade route. I did see on the news that Trudeau is fortifying the border. So that's why I asked. But looking at the handgun homicides, it looks like the northern border was never a problem.

I'm not sure what having a state id or drivers license has to do with your comment. Its the same for every american. The problem isn't at the ports of entry....
pretty much from 1776 until 1875 immigration was completely open - not just a sieve, but totally open - no enforcement. Then incredibly mild restrictions until the Immigration act of 1924 - but still basically open when compared to anything today. just looking at the timeline, there were more administrations before the border restrictions than after - making the original statement incorrect.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
pretty much from 1776 until 1875 immigration was completely open - not just a sieve, but totally open - no enforcement. Then incredibly mild restrictions until the Immigration act of 1924 - but still basically open when compared to anything today. just looking at the timeline, there were more administrations before the border restrictions than after - making the original statement incorrect.
200 years ago was when the country was getting started. that doesn't count.
 

ikarasu

Active Member
I wonder how many people get killed in car accidents from cars that came across the border?
Not really a good comparison, guns are heavily controlled in Canada. And just because they're not in America....we respect eachothers laws...right? It's very rare to see a gun in Canada unless its on a police officer, or if you're in someones private residence... So having thousands of guns be smuggled in is pretty bad for us. Legit people who want a handgun can get one through official means by taking a course and applying for a license.... We're much more restricted, but pretty much anyone can get a gun if they'll jump through the hoops... So all the guns crossing the border arent going to the average Canadian...theyre going right to criminals.


I'm all for beefing up the border to prevent illegal stuff. I miss the days when I could just cross with a license. I dont know if indians reallly cross into USA from Canada.... We have A LOT of TFW's here, which we shouldn't....so I wouldn't be surprised if they did... but I dont get why them crossing into USA is on Canada to police?

If someone brought a truck of guns and was going to cross into Canada... they don't go through the US border inspection, they go through the Canada border inspection... It's on OUR guys to catch them - So how can we stop illegals... or even fentanyl from crossing into USA? We do what we can to keep them out of our borders, but if they sneak in, which they do... I dont see how Canada can prevent them from getting into US. Thats why I think this whole thing is funny... Not only does a lot more bad stuff come into Canada from USA than the other way around... but It should be on each country to Secure their own borders. The billions of dollars we're spending on helicopters and crap would be better spent on tracking immigration / kicking people without valid visas out of our country, before they can try to cross into your Country... etc, etc. Most drugs come from the port....Most fentanyl from China... Beef up the port security... We're more likelly to be able to prevent drugs from getting into USA, by preventing it from getting into Canada.
 
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ikarasu

Active Member
It's not Canadians crossing the border. It's Indians (not native Americans).


There were 20kg of fentanyl seized by the Canadian and American authorities at the border. One kilogram of fentanyl has the potential to kill 500,000 people. If they seized 20kg, how much actually got across?
Fentanyl is deadly and scary, and even 1 gram getting past the border is too much. But in a 3 month period USA seized 4,500 lbs... Thats just seized. And 99% of it came from Mexico... which came from China.

Is there more than 20KG of fentanyl smugled across canada? Probably.... but We still probably make up for .5-1% of fentanyl in USA. I bet you more drugs enter Canada from USA than vice versa!

Our premiers / politicians suck just as much as yours. All this PC "People who are on drugs are victims and they should have access to safe drugs" Bull shit so drugs can become legal is nonsense. There should be stricter laws on drugs... Forced rehab / jailtime, kick the habit for people - Attacking the source is a game of whack a mole... I bet you if you guys fully sealed the Mexican border and stopped the 5000 LBs of fentanyl from crossing the border... The dealers would find another route to get it in. It's too much of a lucrative business for them.
 
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