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As if all sign shops are actually good at design, know what they are doing or that designers are the only ones who can't make up their minds... gimme a break

What kind of signs? I assume you are not charging for design? It's been my experience that most sign shops do not charge for design/layout upfront. Quite a few sign types do not need a design to price, estimate (if you can) get a down payment and allow them a certain amount of...

:goodpost: I agree 100% They need to be inspired... They need to learn the fundamental process of graphic design... They need to learn the principles... Learning software is like learning pencil... those "skills" are required that come with learning the process and principles...

I do complete branding, but occasionally, I get a one off project. On any design project I am working on, I want to see everything they have... website, business cards, sign, brochures... usually they are laking in something. I try to build a cohesive look that ties it all together. When...

The customer is right... ugh, Spoken like a true replicator.... The customer is always right is a retail concept, not part of the design process. You would think our skills and expertise would account for something. If the customer is right, why would they possibly need us... This is...

yeah, put the signs up illegally cuz illegals can jump the fence... What a freakin' joke! I'm sure you speed, litter and break all kinds laws, all because of rogue Canadians hopping the fence. Gosh darn illegal Canadians (what's a derogatory remark for illegal Canadians by the way) I...

Looks like they don't have a full grasp of copyright or the common sense to ask permission for every image... Look at the teeny tiny disclaimer at the bottom of the pages... use the images to give their client ideas eh? As if that lets them off the look. If I were them, i would be more...

Talking to client - Designing - Approval - Cost of Materials - Install price - Cost of putting it in the books - Shop Rate - which is cost of keeping up the software, shop expenses, cost of recouping printer, laminator computer, costs, marketing, twiddling your thumbs...

WAIT! Sooo, you sold the car? Did the car have some emotional connection? Or were you investing in the car? Now a '74 Bug is not a prime year to restore and resell. One remark about VW's manufactured 1968 and later is quite offensive. Look at what you can get for 14k...

I have a 67 VW, no one touches baby... well except for my kid, and thats why baby is not running right now!

Some sweet stuff there... I'm totally diggin' Hanson's! We're making a big push to get more work like this. You would think California would have more designers doing this kind of quality work. The 2 times I have seen it here... it's been your work!

"Renfrew" with it's toilet seat "O" Tell me... why do people use it?!?!?!?

The original was done around 1971. If you look back, you will find flyers from the 70's with a cleaner version of it... I'm betting that's hand rendered and redrawn hundreds of times.

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I remember Keith's earlier post... doing this at least 7, maybe 8 years? newbies gonna newb http://www.signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?109141-Don-t-post-much-these-days-Some-recent-work

First thing I wondered was... did you just open the program and start designing? Thats not design... design is a process. One of the important parts is "RESEARCH"... Did you do any? One big resource is Logolounge, either the website or the series of books. They have 3 sections that...

This seems bogus... This is in the top 10 of the worst logo design ever posted here, and your "buddy" is a graphix guy... Call your friend at Beyond Graphix... he went to Ringling School of Art and Design, I'm sure he can come up with something better.... woof!

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First thing I thought was "The Partridge Family" I like the concept, but Biker Scouts looks cleaner... The logo needs work... it's not attractive and does not convey positive design skills.

I know what machine I won't be getting... Fufeehead!