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So in the first half of your sentence, masks don't work but in the latter half they do?
Gino
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C'mon man............ ya gotta wear a mask, and if ya don't we'll put your a$$ in jail for 'what if' !!!
Why argue about it, like our friends to the north say. The whole world ridicules us on just about everything we do..... and yet people are pouring in over our southern border to get in here for some reason. Young and old alike. How many of them are infected ?? Let's have the same medical care Canada or Sweden or those other countries mentioned have. Yep, free pills, but lousy everything else. I've had countless conversations with people from Canada and they all agree the wait period is horrible, the quality is bad and most come here for anything important. Yep,,we can't do anything right, but whenever someone needs help, we're always there, if it's justified.
I don't know who p!ssed in y'all's cheerios, but ya oughta get over it. Attitudes like yours deserve to be listened to or else, is not very becoming.
Why argue about it, like our friends to the north say. The whole world ridicules us on just about everything we do..... and yet people are pouring in over our southern border to get in here for some reason. Young and old alike. How many of them are infected ?? Let's have the same medical care Canada or Sweden or those other countries mentioned have. Yep, free pills, but lousy everything else. I've had countless conversations with people from Canada and they all agree the wait period is horrible, the quality is bad and most come here for anything important. Yep,,we can't do anything right, but whenever someone needs help, we're always there, if it's justified.
I don't know who p!ssed in y'all's cheerios, but ya oughta get over it. Attitudes like yours deserve to be listened to or else, is not very becoming.
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If masks work, why according to the CDC's own report, did 74-89% of the people who contracted the disease in their study wear masks either "always" of "often?" The BEST defense against ANY disease/virus/infection is a healthy immune system. In order to have a healthy immune system, exposure if vital as well as proper nutrition. Diabetes & Obesity are the most common comorbidities with Covid-19 deaths. Why? Simple, both compromise your immune system. BTW - that same study also showed "The study also demonstrates that under 4 percent of the case-patients became sick with the virus even though they “never” wore a mask or face covering."
As far as this new vaccine goes, the reason we have highly effective vaccines for Small Pox, Polio, German Measles, and others is simple. They have all been around for a LONG time and have basically finished mutating to a large extent. The reason the Flu vaccine works some years and other years it barely does anything is it constantly mutates and they just have to guess each season which strain will show up. SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "Novel Coronavirus" which means never seen before. What are the odds that it is done mutating? What are the odds the vaccine will work next year?
Lastly, with regards the the "alarming" rate of infections. Name me ONE virus in history where we test everyone that wants to be tested and even some that don't want to but have to as a condition for work? And if, like in Florida right now, there is a 7.5% positive test rate, what is up with the 92.5% negative tests? Are they sick with something else or just getting tested due to panic porn or to pad the pockets of Big Pharma? We never randomly test for the Flu. We test the sick.
As far as this new vaccine goes, the reason we have highly effective vaccines for Small Pox, Polio, German Measles, and others is simple. They have all been around for a LONG time and have basically finished mutating to a large extent. The reason the Flu vaccine works some years and other years it barely does anything is it constantly mutates and they just have to guess each season which strain will show up. SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "Novel Coronavirus" which means never seen before. What are the odds that it is done mutating? What are the odds the vaccine will work next year?
Lastly, with regards the the "alarming" rate of infections. Name me ONE virus in history where we test everyone that wants to be tested and even some that don't want to but have to as a condition for work? And if, like in Florida right now, there is a 7.5% positive test rate, what is up with the 92.5% negative tests? Are they sick with something else or just getting tested due to panic porn or to pad the pockets of Big Pharma? We never randomly test for the Flu. We test the sick.
balstestrat
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Basic surgical masks work best to protect others from getting infected by you. It's doesn't really do much as protecting you from others. You also have to replace it often with a new or clean one or it loses the effect.
Home made "masks" basically do nothing......
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Gino
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I've been seeing a lot of doctors lately. Every time I see any of them, their masks are dirty. Where ?? Right in the front, where they pull it up around their nose to keep refitting it. These are old masks. Most doctors, I see are... I am one of the first people in there at 7 to 7:30 in the morning. Not like it got a lotta use already. Nope, it's left over from the day before and the day before that and the day before that.
In fact, last Thursday I saw my regular doctor and as I was leaving, he said, well, it's good to see you have one of the really good masks. That'll help you quite a bit. Not like the kind we wear. I asked him..... what do you mean a good one ?? He said, one of the custom fitting tight n95 masks. Oh...... Well doc, you can get these masks too, at the local automotive paint shop. They cost about 3¢ a piece when you buy a box at a time.
In fact, last Thursday I saw my regular doctor and as I was leaving, he said, well, it's good to see you have one of the really good masks. That'll help you quite a bit. Not like the kind we wear. I asked him..... what do you mean a good one ?? He said, one of the custom fitting tight n95 masks. Oh...... Well doc, you can get these masks too, at the local automotive paint shop. They cost about 3¢ a piece when you buy a box at a time.
The only wait in the Canadian medical system is for elective stuff....rightfully so, if someone needs a surgery they should be bumped ahead of someone who's looking to get a nose job or some fat trimmed off.
My kid has health problems - he's 8 and we've been to the emergency room 10 or so times so far. Broken arms, irregular heart beat, duplicate chromosone... We've had emergency stays that lasted a week, we've seen genetic specialists, heart specialists, even small stuff like speech therapists.... All within a few days of booking an appointment, and all 100% free with no pay. Without our "Sucky, low quality" helath care, I'd be living on the streets over 300K in debt right now.
Oh, and lets not forget my healthcare covers anything emergency when I'm in USA or somewhere international. My wife broke her leg when we were on vacation - she needed surgery on it, and the hospital wanted something like $28,000... our medical covered the whole thing, again...at zero cost to us.
So say what you want about our health care, or believe what your small pool of friends have told you about it - but Health care is one of the things most Canadians are proud of, and wouldn't trade for anything...and rightfully so.
All the long waits and expensive taxes you guys hear about, is as you would put it... Fake news, to justify why America doesn't have it, or has a sucky version of it.
and I hear Swedens is better than ours... but no experience with it, so I can't say either way.
balstestrat
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Nope, probably has nothing to do with that.And you don't think this has anything to do with mandating them
Gino
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Well, my small pool of friends includes 3 totally different canadians and they've all experienced your health conditions. Some good, but the bad ones outweigh the good times far worse.
I really don't care to compare d!ck sizes with you, as it won't result in any change of minds, just like comparing you being most proud of your healthcare system. That's nice, but I have quite a few other things, I have and can be much more proud of, then a healthcare system which relies on someone else. Why is it..... you call it a free healthcare plan. Do you even know how much of your tax dollars go towards paying for it ??
It's a well-known fact that canadian families are not receiving value for the tax dollars currently spent on health care.
You're into this kinda stuff.......
Canadians fund the developed world's fifth most expensive universal access health insurance system. According to the most recent apple-to-apple statistics available, only the Netherlands, France, Germany, and Denmark spent more on their universal health insurance system as a share of GDP (while Switzerland spent as much as Canada). Canada's expenditures are 22 per cent higher than the average nation providing universal access health care within the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
I really don't care to compare d!ck sizes with you, as it won't result in any change of minds, just like comparing you being most proud of your healthcare system. That's nice, but I have quite a few other things, I have and can be much more proud of, then a healthcare system which relies on someone else. Why is it..... you call it a free healthcare plan. Do you even know how much of your tax dollars go towards paying for it ??
It's a well-known fact that canadian families are not receiving value for the tax dollars currently spent on health care.
You're into this kinda stuff.......
Canadians fund the developed world's fifth most expensive universal access health insurance system. According to the most recent apple-to-apple statistics available, only the Netherlands, France, Germany, and Denmark spent more on their universal health insurance system as a share of GDP (while Switzerland spent as much as Canada). Canada's expenditures are 22 per cent higher than the average nation providing universal access health care within the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
- Canadians were the most likely to wait four months or more for elective surgery; and were less likely to wait less than one month for elective surgery than all but Sweden;
- Canadians were the most likely to wait six days or longer to see a doctor or nurse when sick, and were the least likely (tied with Norway) to receive an appointment the same day or next day;
- Canadians were the most likely to wait two months or more for a specialist appointment and least likely to wait less than one month for a specialist appointment; and
- Canadians were the least likely to wait less than 30 minutes and most likely to wait four hours or more for access to an emergency room.
I can't speak on elective surgery as I've never had it. I did get my nose broken as a teenager and they went in and straightened it out.... Not sure if that's considered elective, but it was maybe a week wait.
Not sure what Canadians are waiting 6 days to see a doctor! I can see my family doctor the next day usually when I just have sniffles. There's about 10 walk in clinics within a mile of my house I could goto a d see a doctor within an hour of waiting, no appointment necessary.
I already detailed my experience with specialists... But the whole months thing wasn't true, at least for me.
Out of the 10 or so er visits only one was a 2 hour wait. They triage.. And of course some days they need to treat all the serious stuff more than the not so serious stuff. That's life... And I'd rather wait an hour to get a broken arm set than be jumped ahead of someone with a head injury.
You're pool size of 4 is small. My pool size of two cities is small. Canada is a big country.... Every city isn't the same. I'm sure some people did fall through the cracks and health care for them isn't all its cracked up to be. But for the majority, myself included...I wouldn't trade health care for anything. I know 100% my kid would.have a much worst life than he has now because wed never be able to afford all the specialists he sees right now.
So maybe it's not as fast as America's system. But if you put Healthcare out of.the reach of 90% of your population, of course the waits will be small. Me.... If my kid breaks his arm, I don't have to decide if bringing him in to get it fixed means we won't be able to put food in the table.
Not sure who's measuring dicks here! My comment was about how Canada has no benefit from marking someone as covid positive, nor does many other countries. It was to get people to think about that next time they decide it's all a Democrat conspiracy to get trump to look bad. It wasn't about our health care being better than yours...my post was only defending it and pointing out my experiences after it got shit on and touted as being slow and lousy.
P.s - the Pfizer vaccine is Co developed by Canada, and it uses our delivery system... Canada takes covid seriously, we wouldn't hold off on an announcement or a vaccine to make trump look bad.
A private company standing to make billions also wouldn't risk someome beating them to the punch, or delay production on the vaccine to do the same.
It does seem like a big coincidence. But common sense says otherwise.
Not sure what Canadians are waiting 6 days to see a doctor! I can see my family doctor the next day usually when I just have sniffles. There's about 10 walk in clinics within a mile of my house I could goto a d see a doctor within an hour of waiting, no appointment necessary.
I already detailed my experience with specialists... But the whole months thing wasn't true, at least for me.
Out of the 10 or so er visits only one was a 2 hour wait. They triage.. And of course some days they need to treat all the serious stuff more than the not so serious stuff. That's life... And I'd rather wait an hour to get a broken arm set than be jumped ahead of someone with a head injury.
You're pool size of 4 is small. My pool size of two cities is small. Canada is a big country.... Every city isn't the same. I'm sure some people did fall through the cracks and health care for them isn't all its cracked up to be. But for the majority, myself included...I wouldn't trade health care for anything. I know 100% my kid would.have a much worst life than he has now because wed never be able to afford all the specialists he sees right now.
So maybe it's not as fast as America's system. But if you put Healthcare out of.the reach of 90% of your population, of course the waits will be small. Me.... If my kid breaks his arm, I don't have to decide if bringing him in to get it fixed means we won't be able to put food in the table.
Not sure who's measuring dicks here! My comment was about how Canada has no benefit from marking someone as covid positive, nor does many other countries. It was to get people to think about that next time they decide it's all a Democrat conspiracy to get trump to look bad. It wasn't about our health care being better than yours...my post was only defending it and pointing out my experiences after it got shit on and touted as being slow and lousy.
P.s - the Pfizer vaccine is Co developed by Canada, and it uses our delivery system... Canada takes covid seriously, we wouldn't hold off on an announcement or a vaccine to make trump look bad.
A private company standing to make billions also wouldn't risk someome beating them to the punch, or delay production on the vaccine to do the same.
It does seem like a big coincidence. But common sense says otherwise.
Gino
Premium Subscriber
Like so many..... your kid's problems seem a lot worse than just about any broken arm or meniscus surgery. That only makes sense, he'd be at the front of all lines. Puffing out chests and measuring things is quite common here on s101. It has been since I'm been coming here and is normal in everyday life anywhere. Maybe you just don't recognize the terminology. Anyway, you just keep your healthcare and let me know how all the people paying in, who never ever take advantage of it feel. That's my whole point. It's only good if you really need it. Otherwise, it really sucks to pay in all that tax money for someone else, who might not be paying a single dime. I'm all for helping my fellow man/woman, but I would like the ability to choose whom I help, not be dictated to by the government. we have so much welfare crap now, it's dumb.
Bly
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That's a nasty cough. I hope it's not polio..
Texas_Signmaker
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$300k of medical bills won't leave someone on the streets...the American thing to do is not pay it while in line a Best Buy buying a new TV
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I think you need to quarantine, we send you all to the font forum with Tiki for 14 days.
CanuckSigns
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I agree completly, if I need to see my family doctor, I can get an appointment next day, if I need to see someone sooner, there is a walk in clinic down the road where the longest I've had to wait is 3 hours and the most I've had to pay is the $6 parking fee.
My sister was born with Cerebral Palsy and has required a lifetime of very specialized care, we have never received a bill for it, I believe if we were living south of the border my parents would have had to make some very difficult decisions early on.
My mother had breast cancer about 5 years ago, she went from Mammogram to diagnosis to treatment in the span of 10 days, luckily she is now cancer free and her treatment didn't wipe out her retirement savings.
If I've learned anything in the last 4 years it's that critical thinking should be added to the school curriculum, there are far too many people out there who watch a video on youtube and give it the same recognition as a peer reviewed medical report, there is a huge distrust of anything the government does, especially south of the border to the point where otherwise sane and rational people hold these ridiculous beliefs that would have got you committed to a home 10 years ago.
Gino
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First of all, I'm sorry to hear about your sister's condition and I'm happy for your mother's triumph.
Don't know what you're talking about, otherwise. Ya see, my whole life, I had next to nothing to pay or a very small co-pay for just about everything that happened. The best coverage in the world and the best doctors in the world to boot. Then, come along so many illegals and other aliens and they started giving them all FREE care, but on my dime. At first, it was minimal, but it rapidly grew into a form of life. My premiums went up, my taxes went up and the doctors started having malpractice suits. Everything skyrocketed and quickly. Next, all the Americans squawed they want the same treatment the illegals were getting. It all went up some more. That kept happening year after year after year, til some years ago, the American people couldn't afford it, so they decided to hide it in our taxes...... just like you. Notice, I didn't bring politics into it at all, cause it's supposed to happen across the board, but it doesn't work that way. Now, they just wanna ram it down our throats and other things along with it. I don't know about canadians, but what you call 'south of the border', we stick up for what's fair and what isn't. If you can explain to me what's fair about me having such a large payroll and healthcare plan for people I don't have a clue about, then I'll listen. Til then, tell me how NONE of you can at least understand as you test 10's of thousands more a day, you're gonna have more cases than before. Back over a 100 years ago, that pandemic took around 50 or 60 million people out. It lasted not quite 2 years. It just petered out on it's own and has never really returned.They didn't even have the knowledge or mechanics in hand to do what we have today. Sure, wearing a mask was part of it, but that was far from the only thing needed to be done.
Don't know what you're talking about, otherwise. Ya see, my whole life, I had next to nothing to pay or a very small co-pay for just about everything that happened. The best coverage in the world and the best doctors in the world to boot. Then, come along so many illegals and other aliens and they started giving them all FREE care, but on my dime. At first, it was minimal, but it rapidly grew into a form of life. My premiums went up, my taxes went up and the doctors started having malpractice suits. Everything skyrocketed and quickly. Next, all the Americans squawed they want the same treatment the illegals were getting. It all went up some more. That kept happening year after year after year, til some years ago, the American people couldn't afford it, so they decided to hide it in our taxes...... just like you. Notice, I didn't bring politics into it at all, cause it's supposed to happen across the board, but it doesn't work that way. Now, they just wanna ram it down our throats and other things along with it. I don't know about canadians, but what you call 'south of the border', we stick up for what's fair and what isn't. If you can explain to me what's fair about me having such a large payroll and healthcare plan for people I don't have a clue about, then I'll listen. Til then, tell me how NONE of you can at least understand as you test 10's of thousands more a day, you're gonna have more cases than before. Back over a 100 years ago, that pandemic took around 50 or 60 million people out. It lasted not quite 2 years. It just petered out on it's own and has never really returned.They didn't even have the knowledge or mechanics in hand to do what we have today. Sure, wearing a mask was part of it, but that was far from the only thing needed to be done.
balstestrat
Problem Solver
People seem to be pretty happy in "good" high tax countries.
Danes have a stable government, low levels of public corruption, and access to high-quality education and health care. The country does have the the highest taxes in the world, but the vast majority of Danes happily pay: They believe higher taxes can create a better society.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018...rld-happiness-report-rankings-year-after-year
Danes have a stable government, low levels of public corruption, and access to high-quality education and health care. The country does have the the highest taxes in the world, but the vast majority of Danes happily pay: They believe higher taxes can create a better society.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018...rld-happiness-report-rankings-year-after-year
Which state do you live in? Isn't it true California pays a ton of federal taxes and puts in way more than they take out, while other smaller/rural states are the opposite?
Isn't that the same thing were talking about with medical? A lot of the taxes go towards food subsidy there. You.guys have such cheap produce compared to us because your government subsidized corn among other things..something not every state benefits from.... But it's a tax that helps the country and everyone out as a whole... Poor or rich people.
That's how our Medical is. I pay more into medical and taxes than say nova Scotia that isn't as "rich" as our province is.
It's just how taxes are.. Some places / people put more into it than they get out. Is it fair to everyone equally? Not money wise...but to have a functional equal society, it kind of is.... And its a tax I don't mind. It makes our Country as a whole better.
As far as I know we don't have WIC, or food stamps or the like here. We have other systems in place.... Some better, some not. But a lot of ours, and your taxes go to the less fortunate even if it's not so obvious.
How many tax breaks does Walmart get over there? And how many people who work at Walmart go on welfare, collect food stamps /WIC and other stuff just so they can get a decent living? I'd be more pissed at subsidizing wages for a multi billion dollar company and having taxes going towards that, than going towards Healthcare.
Don't get me wrong. Neither country is perfect. We have just as many useless taxes as you guys do. But medical isn't one of them... We could easily repeal it and goto a privatized system like usa has if the majority of people wanted to... But they don't Want to because while a small few may have issues with it... The majority doesn't.
I didn't want to bring politics into it either. But a lot of "need" I've read bashing our Healthcare came from USA when they tried to repeal Obamacare. Saying it'll increase wait times and be a disaster like "Canada" if you guys keep up with it. I always laughed when I read a story about how much canada was in despair because our health care ruined everyone. Not sure how Obama care is over there, but not a single complaint from me about our health care over here!
Isn't that the same thing were talking about with medical? A lot of the taxes go towards food subsidy there. You.guys have such cheap produce compared to us because your government subsidized corn among other things..something not every state benefits from.... But it's a tax that helps the country and everyone out as a whole... Poor or rich people.
That's how our Medical is. I pay more into medical and taxes than say nova Scotia that isn't as "rich" as our province is.
It's just how taxes are.. Some places / people put more into it than they get out. Is it fair to everyone equally? Not money wise...but to have a functional equal society, it kind of is.... And its a tax I don't mind. It makes our Country as a whole better.
As far as I know we don't have WIC, or food stamps or the like here. We have other systems in place.... Some better, some not. But a lot of ours, and your taxes go to the less fortunate even if it's not so obvious.
How many tax breaks does Walmart get over there? And how many people who work at Walmart go on welfare, collect food stamps /WIC and other stuff just so they can get a decent living? I'd be more pissed at subsidizing wages for a multi billion dollar company and having taxes going towards that, than going towards Healthcare.
Don't get me wrong. Neither country is perfect. We have just as many useless taxes as you guys do. But medical isn't one of them... We could easily repeal it and goto a privatized system like usa has if the majority of people wanted to... But they don't Want to because while a small few may have issues with it... The majority doesn't.
I didn't want to bring politics into it either. But a lot of "need" I've read bashing our Healthcare came from USA when they tried to repeal Obamacare. Saying it'll increase wait times and be a disaster like "Canada" if you guys keep up with it. I always laughed when I read a story about how much canada was in despair because our health care ruined everyone. Not sure how Obama care is over there, but not a single complaint from me about our health care over here!