The Vaccine - you going to take it or no?

[dypinc]

So you would rather take nanobots every day than just twice?

Maybe you should tell that to the families of Hank Aaron, Larry King and all the others who have died after taking the shots.

 

[balstestrat]

Maybe you should tell that to the families of Hank Aaron, Larry King and all the others who have died after taking the shots.

I would tell them it was their time to go, they were old enough to die naturally any day.
I couldn't find any source that Larry had even taken the vaccine. Maybe you can provide me a reputable source?
And there's about Hank for you.
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronaviru...-superstars-death/EGTRQS6DZZG3RGGRMZZFQ5IXLM/

 

[Gino]

I would tell them it was their time to go, they were old enough to die naturally any day.
I couldn't find any source that Larry had even taken the vaccine. Maybe you can provide me a reputable source?
And there's about Hank for you.

You're serious ?????

So, you tell someone who is old, it's time to die, just do it and make room for the rest of us ?? Do you do the same to people who are just plain sick and old ?? Is old a bad thing in your life ?? How old is too old to live ?? Betty White's age ??

That is about one of the meanest, foulest things, I've ever heard, when it was meant as your guideline. You should be strung up and beaten til near death and then told..... ahh, you're almost dead, just one more smack should do it. Your family must've worked at the death camps during WWII.​

 

[balstestrat]

You're serious ?????

So, you tell someone who is old, it's time to die, just do it and make room for the rest of us ?? Do you do the same to people who are just plain sick and old ?? Is old a bad thing in your life ?? How old is too old to live ?? Betty White's age ??

That is about one of the meanest, foulest things, I've ever heard, when it was meant as your guideline. You should be strung up and beaten til near death and then told..... ahh, you're almost dead, just one more smack should do it. Your family must've worked at the death camps during WWII.​

Jesus Gino, so much hate.
You've never said to someone's child/cousin/whatever who lost someone "it was their time to go? god bless etc."
We talked about people who had already passed, not people who live.

 

[Gino]

There's no hate there, just disbelief of a totally non-understanding human being, whom I really have trouble calling a human being after saying what you said about, they're old, it's time they go.

Perhaps in trying to comfort the survivors, you could say these things, but not as you originally said. Most people will say, they're not in pain or they're in a better place, but not..... THEY WERE OLD AND IT WAS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. No matter what kinda spin ya put on it, you're a very callous and mean person, regardless of how ya wanna back-pedal it, now.

 

[balstestrat]

There's no hate there, just disbelief of a totally non-understanding human being, whom I really have trouble calling a human being after saying what you said about, they're old, it's time they go.

Perhaps in trying to comfort the survivors, you could say these things, but not as you originally said. Most people will say, they're not in pain or they're in a better place, but not..... THEY WERE OLD AND IT WAS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. No matter what kinda spin ya put on it, you're a very callous and mean person, regardless of how ya wanna back-pedal it, now.

I'll try to fix the sentence to you that you so eagerly have to bite on. Does it make more sense now?

I would tell them "it was their time to go", they were old enough to die naturally any day.

 

[twmiller24]

Yes, my wife and I plan to take it, because we really 1) don't want to get COVID and 2) don't want to pass it on to people who may be more vulnerable than we are.

I have a lot of friends who have been anti-lockdown (which I understand) ... and they say things like, "I can't wait until things get back to normal." They hate having to wear a mask, not dine in, small or remote church services, etc.

Yet, they don't plan to get vaccinated, because they don't trust the vaccine, they don't think they're vulnerable to complications, they say there's a limited supply, so they'll leave it for other people.

That's their right, but I don't know how you say on one hand, "I want things to get back to normal," and, on the other hand, don't do the few things that could help us get back to normal.

 

[Gino]

To each their own. Personally, I don't think we're gonna get back to a normal we once knew.... with or without masks, vaccines or any other silly apparatus they come up with. There have been 3 or 4 new strains of this same virus now found and it is now being said the new vaccines will not do anything to thwart them outta the way, but they are more contagious and deadlier than the original strain. What say you to all that ??

It is what it is. Every so often, something comes along, whether it's man made or from natural phenomenon and it will change our lives forever. It's up to us, just as in anything else to either take it in stride, roll over or whatever with your life. I do tend to think 99.99% of this sh!t is man made and we just get in our own way all the time.​

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

To each their own. Personally, I don't think we're gonna get back to a normal we once knew.... with or without masks, vaccines or any other silly apparatus they come up with. There have been 3 or 4 new strains of this same virus now found and it is now being said the new vaccines will not do anything to thwart them outta the way, but they are more contagious and deadlier than the original strain. What say you to all that ??

It is what it is. Every so often, something comes along, whether it's man made or from natural phenomenon and it will change our lives forever. It's up to us, just as in anything else to either take it in stride, roll over or whatever with your life. I do tend to think 99.99% of this sh!t is man made and we just get in our own way all the time.​

If a man wasn't sucking on an undercooked bat then we wouldn't have the covid...or so they say...either way it's man's fault....unless he was a she.........

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Here is the problem that I have with the vaccine.

1. It usually takes years to make sure that something is at least somewhat safe, even then you always have a laundry list of side effects. Now that is to cover their own ass for the few that have those side effects and for the even fewer that have them severally (wanna take that chance?)
2. The incentive to keep people coming back for more is a helluva big incentive. Bare in mind, I do believe that there is some protection from litigation due to the circumstances of this situation.
3. I can't help but remember what happened when Perry mandated the inoculation of school girls for preventing a cancer that was supposedly contracted thru sexual activity (which I do believe no connection was established after the fact) and he even regretted having mandated that, but what I particularly don't like was that he was friends with the lobbyist for the OEM of that vaccine. The optics is just not good. It's not definitive proof, just the optics aren't good.
4. Add into there that this is a new delivery system.

Bare in mind, nothing in there definitely means that this vaccine has any issues, those would be just areas of concern that I would have and I would wait for the alpha/beta testers to see how everything goes. I'm not an anti vaxxer by any means, I'm just not one of those that is willing to be a tester. Plus, I'm not at risk at all. I hardly leave my place given how people have been acting in the cities. I go out once a week for farm supplies (which I may change to delivery to the farm) and I don't even leave my truck.

And I was this way before, except I did eat out on occasion.

 

[Andy D]

I find it ironic that many deaths last year, that had nothing to do with Covid, were still counted as "Covid related" deaths, and now when people die days after getting the vaccine, "it can't be related".
My wife went to the funeral today that was for a friend's dad. He took the vaccine, didn't feel right afterwards & died 10 days later. He was in his eighties, so it might not be related, but he had been in good health up to then.


https://fullfact.org/online/norway-vaccine-deaths/

 

[twmiller24]

I find it ironic that many deaths last year, that had nothing to do with Covid, were still counted as "Covid related" deaths, and now when people die days after getting the vaccine, "it can't be related".
My wife went to the funeral today that was for a friend's dad. He took the vaccine, didn't feel right afterwards & died 10 days later. He was in his eighties, so it might not be related, but he had been in good health up to then.


https://fullfact.org/online/norway-vaccine-deaths/

What's your source for the statement that many deaths were misattributed to COVID?

 

[Gino]

What's your source for the statement that many deaths were misattributed to COVID?

My source was........ I was in the hospital for 8 days at the end of August and the doctors, nurses and whatever all those other specialists are..... told me the same thing. Any death was suspect to covid19 stuff and therefore appeared that way so the hospital could triple their money. All day and all night long, they'd come into my room for whatever reasons and that was the talk of the day/night. The way the paperwork was mishandled was atrocious. They put areas on lockdown, but there was hardly anyone in them, but more patients were going out as covid19 related than just about anything else. It was pitiful as loved ones couldn't be with their dying relatives..... even though nothing indicated covid19 other than their say so.​

 

[Stacey K]

Didn't anyone watch the news on inauguration day? The tests have been set "too sensitive" since the beginning- until inauguration day. What a joke. Here's just one article. It says up to 70% of tests were false positives. Do you realize how many deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid? Biden is going to look like the hero that saved the country from Covid! All the people who had to quarantine, couldn't go to school, work, etc. I know kids that were quarantined with zero symptoms because of people with ZERO symptoms 3 times, 14 days each! They missed out on their senior year of football season. It makes me SO mad. All the businesses that are done forever. It's sick, absolutely sick. This explains why there is no flu, no colds, no pneumonia, no sinus infections, no bronchitis, ONLY COVID.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...e-high-due-to-too-sensitive-tests/ar-BB18wE8B

 

[twmiller24]

Gino, Stacey -
Do either of you know anyone who has died of COVID?

 

[Gino]

Yes. Do you ??

No one said it isn't real, just blown wa-a-a-ay outta proportion.

Do you know anyone who was misdiagnosed ?? I do. Many.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Gino, Stacey -
Do either of you know anyone who has died of COVID?

I do.

I also know people that have died from cancer (of different types), pneumonia and various other things.

If we are going to go down that route, we might as well close down during the traditional flu season as that could translate to pneumonia for the most vulnerable (just because one gets the flu shot doesn't mean that one is totally protected, there are no sure things in life except death and taxes). The policies that were done were done in bad ways and how the vaccine is handled could be another. For instance, at one time NY was the 4th in terms of infections, but 1st in terms of mortality and yet they had the most draconian of lock downs (it doesn't help that those that institute those lock downs are also the ones caught violating them, sometimes multiple times, it's like they are *I'm sure you can guess* on us without the decency of calling it rain). Speaking of New York, also have some scary policies being discussed and how to handle people that are "believed" to be this that or the other in the name of public safety. "Believed" to be done, not known to be. That isn't going to be pretty.

I have a hard time listening to officials that talk about eradicating diseases (which doesn't really happen, it's still there) and yet you have cities that have an outbreak of things like Typhus and other diseases and some of those are related to hygiene (exploding homeless population doesn't help with that). Also have hepatitis A as well.

The problem here is that this has been politicized and weaponized. You had one democrat that said the relief bill was a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to our vision. The amount of fluff and pork in those bills is hilarious, but what can we expect when 70% of congress (at least) is made up of people that have been there since the 70s. "You" can't tell me that there aren't some groups that have their claws in them (and that is on both sides of the aisle).

How things were handled here clearly done in political manner. Hard lock downs, schools done virtually etc tend to be when one political party controls the area. Parents have a choice tend to be when there is no clear political party in control. Schools opened and done in person only when the other party is in control.

Just like those areas are that have, well let's just say medieval diseases, I would say the majority of practicing physicians here haven't seen outside the class room for sure, are also showing up where one political and their policies dominate. May or may not like that, I'm sure some that lean that way won't like that statement, doesn't make it any less true.

There is no eradicating diseases, can make it less prevalent, but they will always be there. Hansen's Disease still exists. Those that think that we are going back to a pre-Covid normal are whistlin' Dixie on that one even after having the vaccine. There is just the new normal, not the old normal. Once there are governmental policies put in the place for something, there is just the new normal. Not often do policies get reversed, certainly not in a quick time.

 

[twmiller24]

Thanks for sharing. I agree that it's unfortunate things have become politicized, and that it's unlikely COVID will ever be completely eradicated. But I am very grateful for medical miracles like vaccines and less-miraculous innovations like masks and handwashing that can at least reduce the spread and the severity of the disease.

 

[Gino]

I think I'd be grateful for common sense and wits for normal everyday hygiene. This idea of washing hands and blowing your nose or not sneezing in other peoples' faces goes back a long long ways. Most people expect a magic pill to stop this or that. How many people do you know have some sorta ailment, they take a pill and then say a few minutes later..... when is this pill gonna kick in ?? In some cases things took years to build up and they expect it to go away after an hour of self medication.

Ya know, the only disease we think we completely got rid of is 'smallpox' and it just reared it's ugly head a few years ago. Guess we didn't do it 100%. We've managed to control most sickness and harmful things, but the biggies are still out there and we just keep adding more. Wanna run around scared all the time....... do any of you feel like wearing a tin foil hat, too ??

edit: very well said, wild. ​

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Thanks for sharing. I agree that it's unfortunate things have become politicized, and that it's unlikely COVID will ever be completely eradicated. But I am very grateful for medical miracles like vaccines and less-miraculous innovations like masks and handwashing that can at least reduce the spread and the severity of the disease.

I don't have a problem with modern medicine, some of my family members are alive due to modern medicine. I, however, do not like legislated mandated use of vaccines, particularly ones that are less then a year old. Some of this I blame on politicians, I don't trust them and the way that they have behaved this entire past year and the hypocrisy that goes along with it, even from medical professionals, I have zero faith. And they are the ones that would mandate this stuff in there. I don't trust people that say that we have to vote something in to find out what is in the bill (and that very same person is still in her same position and she said that 12 yrs ago, she was also the one that said election challenges was democracy in action (back in 2005), not so much now).

I would admit if were back in the early 20th century, my take may have been quite different as it was a different country back then, but how it is now, no, I have very little faith in the system.

Now, the one downside to modern medicine and it isn't fault of modern medicine itself, is that some people see it has a way to do this that or the other with less repercussion to their action. They figure that they may have that magic bullet to help them with whatever and I think that's a mistake. I believe more in prevention, healthy diet, lifestyle etc. Those that are more at risk usually don't observe those things more often then not, for one reason or another. Some times it can't be avoided for one reason or another.