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ok, I gotta reply here... I realize nobody is naming names.. and pat says even himself included... but let's not pretend this is a larger issue that it is... and Adtechia is just an example... Adholio is the large tip of a small iceberg... and i don't want him here.. I don't mind saying that...

jigsaw some durable shapes in cheap masonite & use chalkboard paint... far nicer product, they can take down & move around... charge more & sell on versitility

learn your craft, market your business, fill your orders... get a part time job if you don't get enough orders... for every 1000 sign guys I've heard of that DON'T sell widget banners off the shelf, there are... um, there is... well, actually there aren't any sign guys I've heard that DO...

1A don't care for the star, hate the backwards R... like the pixels in corner...

I knew I shouldn't have wasted my time with a thankless weasel like yer sorry self... I'm back to counting the days till your lying, chit stirring, vibe sucking, eye soring, brain wrenching, peace thrashing, art puking ass is banned from here!! aloha!

I gotta go open my shop now, but like i said I think your idea is your best yet & it's looking pretty good... and the most appreciated help i ever got around here was helping ME tweak MY ideas... and you got one worth finishing in my opinion.. so I'm just throwing ideas at that layout because i...

looking good David!! the THIN SKIN text could be outlined too... still very thin, but a black outline defining that thin weight font... even leaving yellow showing through, instead of the white, to keep it subtle... or not... I'm workingon something, but here's the tweaked main copy i got so far

you will be in good company... lots of us pretentious noobs are being made to look good everyday, thanks to a little professional assistance :rock-n-roll:

I'm liking your latest direction the best of all you've done... I saw the first one last night but was too tired to post... I think it has potential, and would be all yours... (although there sure are outstanding examples of how others might handle this) try the squint test... just looking at...

$400 seems ok to me too... not great... but ok... as long as the drive was short... I'd be at $150 just for the door though... even a block away with supplied vector art... but then, once I'm there.. another $150 each to slap $20 worth of cut vinyl on glass? sure... why not... 3 years ago, maybe...

look again Wayne.. that's Roy Rogers with a 6 shooter & a Zorro cape

in my post, the word so? was a link... I am suggesting you give some feedback on that link. Did you click it? It was posted per your request, so I thought I'd direct you to it. regarding your logo variations: I'm confused about the "illuminati portion" because normally I would assume that...

so? I'm looking for feedback??

I'm stoked that the other Sarge is still MIA! Welcome!

+1 :wink:

much better in my opinion... show us with a real "O" in that same font & size, then convert to outlines, and node edit to remove the circular knock out of the O center, and replace with the shield shape.. add "protection" text... this one could stand alone in black & white too

ok.. seems maybe a more iconic collection of meaningful symbols would send a clear message... black & white Silhouette of skyline, simple one color plan view of pentagon, need a good icon for PA... maybe "Let's Roll" text over a Jet shape, on a PA shape... I'm thinking simple large symbolic...

thanks for the clarification on it's use... still, would like to know:

well, what do you want to do? what do they want you to do? how much are they paying you to do 'it'? did you collect yet?

I think a better description of the end use would be helpful, also along the lines of Gino's question.. does "something like this" mean they did that, own that & want to reproduce THAT? ...or deos something like this mean as close as possible based on the fact they have no rights to THAT...