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Eberhard Fabre. Grumbacher sucks.What brand of pencil do you use.......?
Eberhard Fabre. Grumbacher sucks.What brand of pencil do you use.......?
This is an official position of Apple?
Tell me, please, how is a Mac (and by this we really should say Mac OS) any more suitable for design work than any other operating system?
This is an official position of Apple?
Tell me, please, how is a Mac (and by this we really should say Mac OS) any more suitable for design work than any other operating system?
I think we should retire the term Mac OS for confusion purposes.. Mac OS died in 2001 when OS X was released.
In my opinion it's all about the user interface. I prefer my OS X dock vs my Windows task bar at the bottom.
I like the ability to Command + H and hide something or just close the window with Command + W and the ability to pull it back up.
Sure you can tweak and play with Windows like this, but it's just not as effective... it's not out of the box.
At the end of the day it's a personal preference. I like Finder better than Windows Explorer. I like the workflow of OS X vs. my Windows, and I have them both sitting side by side.
I don't turn on my computer for a religious experience, but to get crap done.
Hmmm... are you running Windows 7 or any earlier version of Windows next to your Mac? I have used both OSX and Windows 7 and I personally believe that Windows 7 user interface is better and more productive than OSX. I prefer Aero Shake to any keybaord shortcuts. Windows 7 search bar (Start Menu) is 2nd to none in speed finding files or programs. Crap, I hardly ever open my programs list anymore. The "recently used" library in Windows Explorer saves me major time instead of flipping through folders and there are a lot more shortcuts. Windows 7 is all about productivity if you know how to use it, right out of the box.
I had to build me an i7 OSX box a while ago just to compare the two. OSX left me feeling boxed in and bored. I had to install 3rd party EVERYTHING in order to mange life in OSX. I don't care for the dock much either. While the OSX dock is "pretty", it feels gimmicky and I am much more happy with Windows 7 task bar. OSX is jut not my cup of tea. I don't turn on my computer for a religious experience, but to get crap done.
That's just nonsense and condescending.
Signburst, you don't think people that turn on a Mac do anything but worship their computer? None of them use them to perform their jobs? How sad that came from you.
I have a Windows 7 computer to the right and a Vista to the left, and neither one beats the UX of OS X. Hands down my opinion, and hands down your opinion on the other side of the table.
I call BS on the finding files on Windows 7, how are you speaking that it's faster compared to OS X? Do you have any benchmarks of the same files to support it? Benchmarks of the same hard drives? Benchmarks of the same amount of data on those hard drives? If not.. don't say it's faster when you don't really know if it is, or if it "feels" faster.
Oh yeah, every time I turn on my iMac I get out my daily Apple prayer book.. on.. every time I press a key on my Mac I login and get the exact things done that you do on your PC. Simple is, simple as, simple does.
You may not make a buck off of Apple products like you do Windows, but at the end of the day it's all personal preference, and I can get just as much done on my Mac as you can your PC.
Meh. At the end of the day it will always, always, always... no matter which side you're on... come down to personal preference of the UX.I agree with most of this. I didn't say "faster" search, did I? I said, "2nd to none", which implies at least equal to. You are right, no benchmarks, just very impressive.
You are right, same results, just different ways of going about it. And in the case of graphic design, same result and same ways of going about it as Photoshop and Illy work the same on both platforms.
As far as me making $$$ on Mac, yes I do. I get plenty of frustrated Mac converts who buy computers from me, just as Apple makes plenty of $$$ off of frustrated Windows users.
I try and stay out of these conversations because it always seems to get heated and personal (on both sides). I try an only speak up when I see false statements being passes off as truth. Unfortunately, reading through this thread jaded me a bit and I said something that I probably shouldn't have. I apologize to all those Mac users who I offended. I will try and stick to the facts.
a quick pic as i setup ... i also went all the way and got itv and a time machine much faster conection speed and range
Finally! Some else has noticed. It's a lot of fuss over an OS isn't it? And like Kasey said... Illy and Corel work almost exactly the same on either.So at the end of the day, it's not a Mac vs PC debate... that would mean a hardware debate.. it's an OS X vs. Windows debate, and that will never end. You're a Windows guy, I'm a Mac guy.
I don't care what kind of computer you own, but if you are going to boast about it, I would prefer that you actually know why (or if) it is better than the alternative. I can't stand it when someone tells me why their ANYTHING is better than mine, yet they have no clue what they are talking about.
That's just nonsense and condescending.
You mac haters need to get some consistency in your life. You cry like babies whenever someone mentions they like a mac, then you proceed to act like a 4 year old "My Daddy can beat up your daddy".
Apparently, the hate is so deep it clouds some of your judgement. It apparently is okay to spend too much on a printer because it's got a brand name label on it. It's okay to buy a Summa, even though a Graphtec will cut the same shapes. It's okay to buy a Harley when a Honda will get you to the same places. It's okay to drink Sam Adams rather than Miller. It's okay to buy Illustrator when Corel will do. It's okay to buy a $150 watch when a $20 watch tells the same time. It's all perfectly well and good, and justified in your mind in your day to day lives, but God forbid someone else buy a Mac. Heavens no. That's the one line in the sand that can't be crossed. Apparently it's okay to "waste" money on every other aspect of life, but "wasting" money (your opinion) on a Mac is just something that you can't keep your pie hole shut about. Why not just let people buy and use what they are happy buying and using.
When you are at the stoplight and someone comes up next to you in a Mercedes, do you feel obligated to tell them how stupid they are for spending all that extra money? When someone walks in with a Starbucks coffee, do you scream out "Heck you idiot, if you wanted coffee you should have drank Maxwell House for .75 cents".
No, you don't. But you do it with a Mac. You should really seek some therapy to find out why such a hatred.
Signburst, you don't think people that turn on a Mac do anything but worship their computer? None of them use them to perform their jobs? How sad that came from you.
Get over it people. If someone wants a Mac, let them have a mac without you opening your mouth about it. I think it's really telling that not a single person can say something about a Mac that's good without people standing in line to shoot them down. If I like Pumpkin Pie and you don't, and I post a thread saying "Man, that was some good pie", why do you feel the need to tell me that Pumpkin pie sucks and you don't like it and Coconut pie is far better?
Geez. I'd love to see a thread that mentions Mac's actually run it's coarse without one of the normal suspects trashing them for no reason other than to start an argument.
But to say that you use you Mac to get things done and imply that people on the Mac side don't is just condescending. I use CS5.5 on my Mac every day. I like to think I'm "getting crap done" too. Is my experience on Illustrator different on the Mac than the PC? Not really. I think it's about the same, so if there's not much difference in the user experience in Illustrator on one platform or the other, how can one be so worthless and crappy and unproductive?
Since you like facts, please tell me why me working in CS5.5 on a Mac is such a crap experience that I can't get things done. I'd like to know. Oh, that's what I thought. There isn't a difference, and I can draw the same things in both the PC and the Mac version.
+1. The other day someone mentioned how much they love Windows 7. Not one Mac user butted in and said how much they thought Windows sucks, yet when a Mac is brought up dozens jump on board to to tell you how stupid you are for buying a mac
I think your implications were pretty clear. Clear enough that you went back and deleted it from your original post....
"I don't turn on my computer for a religious experience, but to get crap done."